Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With all due respect, history disagrees with you and even your presence on this page is proof that it will.

Remember it was CCP's decision to not give anyone a heads up that this change was going to come with retribution so we could participate in testing and suggest things before any KNOWN harm was done. I would say almost all of us opened our patch notes to see what goodies we got to only see our home systems made into ghost towns.

I've added a bio to direct people to your forums with the reason they are being mass murdered in high sec and loosing their only possesions in New Eden. This isn't meant as a hostile act against CCP it's just presure and numbers to make our end of the metrics matter. I don't want to be hostile to any developer willing to at least meet us halfway with returned plexes in LOW SEC. We can deal with drop rates, types of loot, ways to gain keys/unlocking the gates full time, variations in the respawn timers, etc..after they are returned and work on them until we are both satisfied.

You don't have an unreasonable bunch here but a simple "NO, now let's talk about no loot arenas" isn't going to fly.

Oh good, another person who doesn't live in low-sec and has no idea what they're talking about.

Just fyi, the old 2/10's were a fantastic place for newbies to get into PVP and provided a loot drop that didn't take months of training to obtain, all at the same time.

I think you'll find ignoring people and trying to inspire meaningless debate will lead to increased hostility ... This is 'serius business' TM after all :)

If the answer is no, we are not putting them back, we've told you why, htfu, then just say it. I don't understand why we need to lobby for developer attention or discuss random 'never-to-be-implemented' solutions.

The threadnought wants things the way they were. The code is written, it is in a backup. Are you guys going to consider putting it back or not?

As the long time frigate pilot and frequent 2/10 plex visitor I would like to add a few words to this topic.

First the idea of simple accelaration gates which was proposed by CCP will not work, as was pointed out already, because there will be no incentives for pilots to frequently visit or more importanly to stay for a some time in that empty pocket.

Let me demonstrate how the pirates think. Nobody sane likes the camping - regardless if you are about to camp acceleration gate, gate or a station. So if you are on the roam you jump into system and check your scanner - have you found no ships around? You will move on. Thats the problem if tose empty pockets in space, nobody will be staying there just because theres small chance once a day some bored dude might come along.

The plexes on the other had were different.

1) To complete them the visitor had to spend some time there and therefore he created a window of opportunity for any pvp pilot lucky enough to be around.

2) The plexes were worth visiting even if you were the only one in local - you were able to do the plex, gain some money and wait for any opposition to show up.

3) The plexes were attracting not only pirates but the pve playeyers as well, which in turn provided the wider target selection for pirates and provided sometimes the first taste of EVE PVP combat for pvers.

Truth is that the plexes could be camped, the plex mechanics was rather imperfect, but still they were able to drag some more people to low-sec, especially in areas like Molden Heath where 4 of them were relatively close to to each other. And thats preciselly what low sec needs - more activity! And more activity needs more opportunities to do something!

Can really see how would the reintroduction of 1/10 and 2/10 plexes into low sec brake anything ballance wise. Those plex rewards are not so high after all.

Looking through the CSM minutes from December.... I can't find any mention of this. Anyone else?

(I could miss it though as it it over one hundred pages of text!)

Edit: The tiny mention of this issue has been found (see below). Doesn't look good.

He said he chased Devs and talked to them. It was not part of the scheduled events which is what the notes are. I'm sure that there were plenty of side discussions for various smaller topics.

When the patch notes came out and the winter summit topics were put up there was no place for us to request more information on this or a review. The Summit is rather time constricted and the topic did not have a time slot for it.

Edited cuz Wrong:

Page 63, last paragraph, first sentence.

Hans took a moment to remind the team that the removal of the DED Level 1 and 2 static complexes in
low-sec was a huge loss for the PvP community, and said this may have the potential to bring back some
of these fights via increased belt traffic.

INCREASED BELT TRAFFIC?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If hans is still following the thread, could you tell us what went on?

Would sending a few shapely ladies with loose morals up to Iceland for a cake and blumpkin party be nice enough to get these back? If it's a lady in charge maybe I can come up and give some good sloppy head?...I'll bet Hans didn't try THAT!

Screw developer attention at this point I want to speak with the Unifex person at the top of the heap...these underlings move too slow and are slowly ruining your product.

Who with leet artistic skills wants to whip up a nice 'Bring back the 2/10's in Low-Sec' A4 poster which can be scattered liberally around the Veto London Meet on 9th Feb?