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Jukebox Petition - Bring it back!

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#141 - 2012-12-14 17:57:59 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
I get what you mean in general about lack of answers etc, but really, anything like this is all about picking your battles. This is just about the dumbest possible battle to pick.


This is so true. I don't care about the Jukebox, and judging from the very few actual people posting here, very few players care either.

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androch
LitlCorp
#142 - 2012-12-14 18:05:15 UTC
the csm may say they think its dumb but the csm never cares about anything not pvp/null oriented jukebox must have a return
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#143 - 2012-12-14 18:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
I'll be honest. The lack of a Jukebox has made no differnce to me what so ever. I like the new dynamic music, though I was hoping for all new stuff, not a mish-mash of the old playlist. Oh well.

If you don't want to listen to the current music, just go into the audio options and set the music volume to '0'.

If you want to listen to your own music, Windows Media Player works fine, as do many other music programs designed for the job.

If you have more than one window open, then you will only have one of them playing music anyway, otherwise you end up with 2 or even 3 different tracks playing at once.

Why take resources away from keeping EvE running smoothly and developing new and amazing things to blow people up with for the sake of adding a tool that mimicks a peice of software that is already built into just about every PC anyway?

If CCP put out a survey asking "Do you want the Jukebox back? Yes, No or Don't care" I am more than confident that the majority woulod say the don't care, followed by No.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#144 - 2012-12-14 18:21:07 UTC
CSM is spot on. Eve is not an operating system, and thus does not need an on demand music player. Running an actual music player in the background is trivial, and it gives you more features, better specialized support, and free CCP from writing a feature completely tangential to the core game.


A music player belongs in Eve as much as a spreadsheet app does: not at all. It would simply use up developer time delivering a feature that could never compete with pre-existing out of game tools. That is why whining about it is dumb.

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androch
LitlCorp
#145 - 2012-12-14 18:27:47 UTC
point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#146 - 2012-12-14 18:35:01 UTC
androch wrote:
point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game


Since when is managing a music player a "foreground" thing, requiring user input and attention? Get a playlist, hit play, go about your business. Control it with media keys/shortcuts.

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Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#147 - 2012-12-14 20:54:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakan MacTrew
androch wrote:
point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game

If everyone used a single account, then you would make sense. The fact is that almost everyone multiboxes. As I said previously, You still end up muting all but one player and you have to go back to that one to do anything anyway.

The Jukebox was clunky and outdated compared to just about any current music player built into an OS. Hell, my phones OS has a much better music player than EvE's Jukebox. (No offence to CCP Dev's, for the time it was developed it was fine.)

So, God forbid you tab out to the desktop once in a while to swap playlists or tracks. How many seconds more does that take?

The more and more I look at this thread, and those like it, the more it just looks like some kids are crying because someone got rid the toys they haven't even seen in years.

Do you want an EvE plugin app to take a **** for you too?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#148 - 2012-12-14 21:47:30 UTC
Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places.

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#149 - 2012-12-14 21:52:07 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
DarkestHeart wrote:
Return the GUI for the JukeBox and fix the new system, job done - much less whining, much less bitching.

Happy people :)


10 days and 7 pages of pissy bitching shouldn't be enough to make a dev turn their computer on, let alone do anything. Maybe next time pick a less ridiculous idea to get behind.



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Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#150 - 2012-12-14 22:02:02 UTC
MainDrain wrote:
I feel i likely speak for the majority of players when i say the following

I knew there was a jukebox, im fairly sure the last time i clicked on it was a number of years ago. if i dont want to listen to the ingame music i turn the music volume slider down. if want to listen to my own music i use one of the MANY free available players (i.e. winamp, spotify etc etc)

If you only want to listen to certain in game tracks they're on spotify.

Additionally CCP have stated the reason for the removal of the jukebox iirc it was basically legacy coding from the launch of eve, coding which they are currently going through removing and updating. If a feature is no longer widely used (jukebox) it is not worth the man hours recoding it, hours which can be better spent on improving quality of life in the game

tl;dr - Get over yourself, the majority don't care about the lack of jukebox or your argument



the majority of players find mining boring as hell, does that mean mining should be removed, just because the MAJORITY don't like it?

you may not have used the jukebox, however, i did, i miss the feature quite a lot.
should i keep quiet about what i like because i'm not the majority?
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#151 - 2012-12-14 22:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
Ranger 1 wrote:
I have difficulty believing that people are this incredibly stupid.

Then again, this is the melting pot of EvE... where even the mentally challenged are allowed to post.

The reasons for removal were clear and concise, the alternatives simple and spelled out for you.

Move along.



Another one here , Any one who complains is mentally challenged are incredibly stupid as ranger1 tells us

So lets add it all up

Pissy bitching
Dumb
mentally challenged
incredibly stupid


All comments aimed at people who complained about the removal of the jukebox .A dev even posted here and not one flag was raised.Seems like some people just want to trade insults here and CCP seems quite happy to let it descend in to that .

Sad state of affairs in the Eve community forums
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#152 - 2012-12-14 22:27:28 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places.

Try Grooveshark. It's pretty great.

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MainDrain
Applied Anarchy
The Initiative.
#153 - 2012-12-14 22:33:50 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places.

Try Grooveshark. It's pretty great.


Im a fan of spotify personally
Colman Dietmar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-12-14 22:55:21 UTC
You can play whatever music you want using third-party music players. No need to distract CCP with stuff that's already done and done well from things that actually matter: ship balancing, game interface and general gameplay.

As for the general new music approach, I like it, but there's plenty room for improvement. For one, perhaps players should be enabled to create custom playlists for the ingame situations the new feature adapts to.
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#155 - 2012-12-14 23:02:01 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places.

Try Grooveshark. It's pretty great.



Thanks for this link just tryed it its much better than you tube could make a nice long playlist here will give it a try .Seem to have a lot of tracks i like .
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The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2012-12-15 02:43:51 UTC
Use your own... simple enough fix. Meanwhile new players can be introduced to the music of Eve in a more appropriate environment
Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2012-12-15 03:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Crimeo Khamsi
androch wrote:
point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game

Are you seriously suggesting that it would ruin your game experience to have to hit alt tab and click on a new playlist in windows media player for 5 seconds every 2 hours?

If so, you have much bigger problems than a jukebox. For example: what do you do when you need to use the bathroom? Do you have a catheter inserted when you play Eve, so that your game experience doesn't get completely ruined by having to leave the game client for 2 minutes to relieve yourself?

Are you on a glucose IV drip so that your immersive game experience isn't ruined by having to make a sandwich every 5 hours of game time?

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Nova Fox wrote:
Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places.

Pay for your music?

If we had an in game jukebox, CCP (and thus you as a customer) would have to pay for the music anyway, so why not just do it yourself and put it in itunes or windows media player? Then you can get hours of uninterrupted personalized playlists, maintenance free.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#158 - 2012-12-15 06:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Please bring back the jukebox. I hate having to use an external program to listen to the game soundtrack. I don't know of any other game that would kill the in-game music player and tell the players to use an third party solution.

P.S. the condescending and arrogant attitude expressed by the CSM rep who responded goes a long way towards why so many players have a negative view of the whole process.

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Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#159 - 2012-12-15 07:38:14 UTC
I've been having issues with alt-tabbing out lately.. I was trying to use Pandora, but it has that 'have to be active' thing, and when I tabbed out to turn it back on, Eve dropped its socket or some such thing.

If it's such a bother, maybe CCP should leave the Jukebox GUI in, but have it set up to be a set of controls for an outside program, and have people open-source the adaptor to whatever player that it runs? Then they can leave the gui in forever unchanged and it's SEP to maintain the player itself.
EXIA MIKOSZ
Strike Birds Zero
#160 - 2012-12-15 10:51:06 UTC
I Want it Back as well!!!!
I like to chose my music by myself specialy when i have my favorites ones