Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Removing those static plexes from high-sec might be ok, since those plexes are camped 23.5/7. But in low-sec it is a totally different story. If you do not like that people get too high payout for those static plexes - you can reduce it somewhat (one more time). Fine. But really, keep those plexes around.

It is an obvious move to push people towards faction warfare, but in reality a lot of us do not want to participate in FW to have some small-ship PvP. And those plexes were always a center of gravity for such activities.

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Please replace them with PVP arenas.
I know you can do this CCP.
Or have the fw npcs not shoot unaligned characters so we can fight there.

bad ccp , bad ccp :D

+1 for not removeing

the guys who posted befor me have a valid point pow pow

Don't do it. You guys are dicks.

I have never been to a lowsec DED plex but from what I have seen in this thread and http://lowseclifestyle.blogspot.com/ on this blog, I can see why it is a problem that they are being removed. Had I known that these plexes were a good way to have throttled low cost PvP I would have joined in before now.

I would like to suggest a possible solution to this problem that could appeal to the pirate crowd as well as fit in to the story of eve.

Lets say, for story reasons, that the DED Plexes were cleaned up once and for all by CONCORD. Hence their removal at the start of Retribution. Well wouldn't the pirate factions have responded somehow.

I propose that an agent in space, representing the corporation of the local rats, be added to the system that once held the static plex. The agent could offer missions into the old dead-space pocket to recover the random macguffin. The new/old complex would have the same ship restrictions as are currently being utilized to throttle the PVP. I think it would be a good way to add some pirate themed PvE so that players could blow up some CONCORD ships and gain standing with a Pirate corp without needing to go all the way to null-sec

This way the reward for going to the site would still be there but the "farming" would be no worse than at any other agent.

Obviously leaving them untouched is a viable solution as well but this one might appeal to the story/roleplay folks

So it appears that these things are farmed extensively in highsec at no risk. The fix for that would be to remove them. That's what is clearly happening and for the most part we would agree that this highsec farming isn't good at whatever level. Okay, we can live with that.

But the lowsec ones are a different breed altogether.

The lowsec ones are like beacons to whole communities, people build corporations and their entire game time around them and by removing them from lowsec you will see once vibrant systems become ghost towns. This will either be from people moving somewhere else which isn't that bad in the long term or it could be from people who once enjoyed a part of the game to simply not play any more because their community and play style has disappeared overnight. Some might say that's a far-fetched claim but I do feel some people do feel that strongly about them.

They're also used as waypoint markers for roams. I don't think I'd have ever started roaming lowsec systems if it wasn't for my planned DED complex routes and waypoints. The fights I would find there kept me interested in this game in the early days and I dare say if they weren't there I'd probably be playing something else right now. What will draw the next nooby frigate pilot who wants to venture into lowsec to keep subscribing?

To an extent the lowsec complexes can be farmed as well. A simple fix for this would be to make it impossible to remain in the last room after shooting the structure. Instead make it so they have to start again in the first room with full timers. I will guarantee you that they would not be so keen on farming them if they had to start in the first room again.



tl;dr remove highsec ones yes. lowsec ones need to remain but need the mechanics tweaking.

What are you replacing the plexes with that generates as much pvp fun?

Seriously, give Low Sec back some love, not ripe it from our hearts!

Check the previous pages and give the post a read from the beginning, the CSM are aware of this (or at least some of its members are) and were just as shocked as the rest of us.

But yeah, I do agree with you, some recognition from CCP would be VERY much appreciated given the magnitude of what they are proposing to do with some of the most lively PVP arenas in low sec. Issue is the people who this affects the most often can't go to Jita to protest due to our security status, so we might need to resort to mass ganking of mining barges and Orcas in high sec to recruit the miners to our cause.
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Ok I'm a bitter old vet but one of the reasons I like this game is there is so much to do. But slowly bit by bit its getting homogenized and the more one thing is like the next the more older players like me will give up on the game as there is nothing new to do. CCP keep the variety in the game and stop this dull boxing up into nice little easy packets. If people want to frigate pvp give them more than faction warfare to do it in these site are focus point for some players some make isk from them and other do their best to riun the others day THATS what Eve is all about

I actually find this sort of amusing. Many times it has been suggested that there should be combat arenas in Eve, areas protected by gates that filter by ship type and allow for free combat within. Every time its suggested the cry goes out:

"NO!!!!!! It will kill PvP and Eve will turn into WoW and die!"

Now it turns out that PvE content is being re-purposed for these exact arenas, and its removal is causing complaints!

+1 for areas allowing for frig only or cruiser and below only combat. Either the DED complexes, or just an empty area protected by a gate.