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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#81 - 2012-10-26 14:48:18 UTC
Wait, there is PvP in high sec?

nom nom
Srioghal moDhream
Perkone
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-10-26 19:16:46 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Also what the hell at all the terrible carebears in this thread proving they have no idea how the current mechanics work. How many of you dolts are going to parrot the "current mechanics don't allow the possibility of repercussions to gankers or can flippers!" type crap?

The fact that there is such ignorance of the current mechanics, and then people using their flawed understanding to laugh at or insult pvpers (even ones on the rather low end of the scales such as canflippers and gankers) is astonishing.

The issue that most people have isn't that there are repercussions, it's how they're specifically being implemented and the balance of them. Very minor crimes shouldn't effectively make you a target for the entirety of the universe, that's just incredibly dumb and will serve only to curb highsec pvp.


QQ more please.

wannabe ganker tears are the best tears.
Rutger Gist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-10-28 11:45:14 UTC
As a fledgling criminal I'm interested in seeing how this will all pan out when it hits December 4. As others have said "Adapt or Die"

As for some of the changes, I don't quite understand what they will actually mean. For instance..... If you are flagged as a criminal, does it mean that anyone who sees you can attack you?

If that is the case, it certainly does make looting / salvaging from other pilot's wrecks a whole new proposition. But, hey! I don't play EVE to be safe and I only fly what I am willing to lose.

My only wish is that CCP gave us more opportunities to be criminals in high sec:

1. Can Flipping is dead with the new barges. Are there really any morons out there, that are still jet canning in HiSec?

2. Smuggling needs to be fleshed out. Not the current, automatic "pay the fine or get popped" . Give us specialized ships of cargo containers, with appropriate skills, to make smuggling as profession alternative.

3. I haven't tested this out yet, but are we able to hack a secure container? If not, we should have this ability. It could be limited to 3 cycles of hacking module, so that if you don't unlock it by 3rd try, you never will.

As for the "whining" about HiSec carebears getting their way on these changes, I'm sure we will find a way to make them cry again. Some of the same concerns were made by the pirate community when "Jump to Zero" was put in years ago. Pirates adapted, although there are a lot fewer pirate corps than there were in the past.
Savnire Jacitu
Undead Retirement Crypt
#84 - 2012-10-28 12:04:49 UTC
I'm excited for the everyone attacking me after I loot some space trash. Should be fun.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#85 - 2012-10-29 16:25:49 UTC
Srioghal moDhream wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Also what the hell at all the terrible carebears in this thread proving they have no idea how the current mechanics work. How many of you dolts are going to parrot the "current mechanics don't allow the possibility of repercussions to gankers or can flippers!" type crap?

The fact that there is such ignorance of the current mechanics, and then people using their flawed understanding to laugh at or insult pvpers (even ones on the rather low end of the scales such as canflippers and gankers) is astonishing.

The issue that most people have isn't that there are repercussions, it's how they're specifically being implemented and the balance of them. Very minor crimes shouldn't effectively make you a target for the entirety of the universe, that's just incredibly dumb and will serve only to curb highsec pvp.


QQ more please.

wannabe ganker tears are the best tears.


Thanks for being the exact kind of person I mentioned. Go back to WoW.
Rutger Gist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-10-29 17:45:51 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
New crimewatch is going to be glorious.

Canflippers/griefers are finally going to get what they claim to want......lots more pvp in highsec.

Just...it might not be the pvp they want.....Lol

I can't wait to see some guy in a Hurricane flip a newbs can in Couster and then get bum-rushed by 200+ Velators......

It will be glorious, I tell you.


First off, there are no more cans to flip. I have not found one miner jet canning since the new barges. As a matter of fact, I have not seen a single miner using mining drones either (they all use light combat drones).

I have looted many, many wrecks and not once have any of these miners or their corp mates even targeted me. They had the rights to, but didn't.

With this new Crimewatch system, it removes the responsibility for a high sec corp or pilot to even defend their own rights. They will just continue to mine and leave wrecks behind and expect that someone else will do their retribution later. Mining Bots wet dream!

This will not lead to more frigate pvp in hisec, it will in the long term just end all ninja looting / salvaging. It take a lot of the fun out of the game. This isn't a whine of someone who wants "no risk, but reward". I love having the risk of the individual or corp that I steal from, to retaliate. Freakin' target lock me even and chase me off if you grow a pair. But, to have ever single pilot in a system have kill rights on me is just ridiculous. It defies any sort of logic.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2012-10-30 01:15:51 UTC
So if I am reading this right, only podding will trigger lowsec gate guns.
What good is that at stopping gate camps!
I wanted to here the onrushing megatsunami of tears, as the campers gasp and are silenced by the guns.
To see them driven before me, defeated by their own hubris.
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#88 - 2012-10-30 01:52:59 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So if I am reading this right, only podding will trigger lowsec gate guns.
What good is that at stopping gate camps!
I wanted to here the onrushing megatsunami of tears, as the campers gasp and are silenced by the guns.
To see them driven before me, defeated by their own hubris.
You're not reading that right.
Unlawful attacks on ships will incur a sec status penalty which is what will trigger the gate guns.
Podding will give kill-rights.

Who put the goat in there?
Srioghal moDhream
Perkone
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-10-30 19:18:05 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Srioghal moDhream wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Also what the hell at all the terrible carebears in this thread proving they have no idea how the current mechanics work. How many of you dolts are going to parrot the "current mechanics don't allow the possibility of repercussions to gankers or can flippers!" type crap?

The fact that there is such ignorance of the current mechanics, and then people using their flawed understanding to laugh at or insult pvpers (even ones on the rather low end of the scales such as canflippers and gankers) is astonishing.

The issue that most people have isn't that there are repercussions, it's how they're specifically being implemented and the balance of them. Very minor crimes shouldn't effectively make you a target for the entirety of the universe, that's just incredibly dumb and will serve only to curb highsec pvp.


QQ more please.

wannabe ganker tears are the best tears.


Thanks for being the exact kind of person I mentioned. Go back to WoW.


Cry some more.

Your idea of fair is that you get to gank someone in a defenseless ship, but that freighter/industrial player gets a kill right on your pvp character.
Or their corp gets 15 minutes to attack you while you are docked in a station. Unless of course they are in an npc corp then they get no help.

Quit crying about not being almost completely safe with your actions and suck it up. Remember you're not safe anywhere in eve.
Aggrofighter
Ghost Pirates
#90 - 2012-10-30 22:03:03 UTC
stop all that crying... more kills, more fun? :O
Brego Tralowski
Tralowski Independent Traders.
#91 - 2012-10-31 07:45:14 UTC
I am actually going to enjoy this change, so many people are going to get this wrong and make mistakes. Will Hi-sec turn Flashy red, i doubt it, but there's certainly going to be a lot more to shoot at. Being only a casual PvP'er myself i'm looking forward to this. My usual tactic of lying in wait cloaked ready to ambush might actually be more exciting lol

Thanks CCP.

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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#92 - 2012-11-01 11:43:33 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
So I have been reading up on the new Crimewatch updates coming out in the next expansion and so far all I can say is it looks total ****.

Picture 1

Picture 2

What is your take on it?

How can gankers profit from ganking?

lets visit the following scenario -

Player A shoots Player B and player B blows up.

Player B's wreck drops, now when you loot that wreck you are freely attackable by everyone,

CCP have given into the carebears demands and given into the demands of Miners wanting to AFK mine without fear of being ganked by buffing the EHP on all mining barges, with the upcoming crimewatch changes to be implemented this to seems as a way to give in to carebear demands.

They have now pretty much effectively given into remove all forms of unprovoked aggression in high sec.

When I first started playing eve, I played due to the nature of eve, and how you are never safe when undocked and you can partake in non-consensual pvp with other players.

Now it seems that this game while promoting piracy and doing bad deeds to people in-game, it is effectively ruined to cater to the highsec carebears demands of a safer playground for them to mine in. but yet CCP are still promoting it as a Combat Zone that anyone can be a part of.

Whats next? will low sec pvp also be outlawed because carebears cant pvp safely?

While this may seem like a rant, I would appreciate your thoughts on the above. While CCP is a business and needs to make money, they have ruined and lost sight of what makes eve a great game.



I think you are missing what is good from this future update - from the can flippers perspective. As a former high sec griefer I have been watching discussions about this at a distance. Granted, i havent gone through and read all the details so my understanding might be sketchy. But from what i understand if you loot a can/wreck that doesnt belong to you then you become criminal flagged to all for 15 minutes correct?

Now, you think that this is a bad thing. As a former can flipper I say hold on bud. This is an awesome thing. Because now instead of being flashy to one dude and his corp i am flashy red to every noob in high sec for 15 mins. Now i have a whole bunch of idiots i can get to shoot at me.

Just because someone shoots at you doesnt mean that you have to engage them right then and there. From the moment they shoot at you there is a new 15 min timer with that dude. He has commited a new act of agression with you and now you can separate your agro from everyone else in the area by docking/safing up and go find him once every one else isnt there to gang up on you. Or, you can find him alone in a belt or something before that timer is up if you really cant wait. The object of can flipping is to get folks to shoot at you. The more the merrier.

From my perspective this update is ccp trying to fix a flesh wound by pouring gasoline on it and setting it on fire. It is guaranteed to be the best thing ever for a high sec griefer.
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-11-27 19:52:30 UTC
I think it is pretty cool when people utilize kill rights properly.

I remember way back I was bored and I suicide ganked some ice miner in a Mack with my Brutix for the lulz. So he said he would get me and I laughed all the way back home to Dodixie, because let us face it, threats in the this mean nothing most of the time.

So anyways, a couple of days later I was tooling around in a Megathron off the Dodixie station about 20 off just puttering around and being bored. Then I get locked and tackled by a neut Domi. I was all like WTF and noticed it was the same dude I had ganked. I fired up my guns on my mighty Megathron and unloaded many a volley into that buffer tanked beast knocking him down to less than a quarter armor. Then my cap ran dry as he was neuting me to hell and I went boom. Was quite fun and I was impressed with that pilot.

I hope the new system creates more opportunities for situations such as this.
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-11-27 20:15:38 UTC
Rutger Gist wrote:

First off, there are no more cans to flip. I have not found one miner jet canning since the new barges. As a matter of fact, I have not seen a single miner using mining drones either (they all use light combat drones).

I have looted many, many wrecks and not once have any of these miners or their corp mates even targeted me. They had the rights to, but didn't.

With this new Crimewatch system, it removes the responsibility for a high sec corp or pilot to even defend their own rights. They will just continue to mine and leave wrecks behind and expect that someone else will do their retribution later. Mining Bots wet dream!

This will not lead to more frigate pvp in hisec, it will in the long term just end all ninja looting / salvaging. It take a lot of the fun out of the game. This isn't a whine of someone who wants "no risk, but reward". I love having the risk of the individual or corp that I steal from, to retaliate. Freakin' target lock me even and chase me off if you grow a pair. But, to have ever single pilot in a system have kill rights on me is just ridiculous. It defies any sort of logic.

It's not the miner's fault you're too scared to do something that might involve non-consensual PvP. Being surprise-attacked is only for your victims, not for you, right? Wow, you're tough!
No Alibi
Sometimes Here
#95 - 2012-11-27 21:45:13 UTC
I'm looking forward to many,many days of happy hunting. JOY!!!

I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my ass is always on fire!
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#96 - 2012-11-28 09:18:55 UTC
Personally I'm just waiting for the first high-sec brawl to escalate into a MASSIVE ball of explosions when everyone gets flagged to everyone.

I'm gonna dig out my popcorn and watch.
Xiphos Volund
Amarrian Blueprint Company
#97 - 2012-11-28 11:13:22 UTC
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Rutger Gist wrote:

First off, there are no more cans to flip. I have not found one miner jet canning since the new barges. As a matter of fact, I have not seen a single miner using mining drones either (they all use light combat drones).

I have looted many, many wrecks and not once have any of these miners or their corp mates even targeted me. They had the rights to, but didn't.

With this new Crimewatch system, it removes the responsibility for a high sec corp or pilot to even defend their own rights. They will just continue to mine and leave wrecks behind and expect that someone else will do their retribution later. Mining Bots wet dream!

This will not lead to more frigate pvp in hisec, it will in the long term just end all ninja looting / salvaging. It take a lot of the fun out of the game. This isn't a whine of someone who wants "no risk, but reward". I love having the risk of the individual or corp that I steal from, to retaliate. Freakin' target lock me even and chase me off if you grow a pair. But, to have ever single pilot in a system have kill rights on me is just ridiculous. It defies any sort of logic.

It's not the miner's fault you're too scared to do something that might involve non-consensual PvP. Being surprise-attacked is only for your victims, not for you, right? Wow, you're tough!



Kinda hard to be suprise attack when the victim gets to shoot first, no?
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#98 - 2012-11-28 11:17:55 UTC
Tbh ganking/griefing high sec players is pathetic. Come to low sec/null for PVP

I support the new changes

CC
Ueberlisk
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#99 - 2012-11-28 11:27:51 UTC
CraftyCroc wrote:
Tbh ganking/griefing high sec players is pathetic. Come to low sec/null for PVP

I support the new changes

CC


I support the voice of Lord of Anshars.
Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
#100 - 2012-11-28 11:32:24 UTC
All this thread has to deliver is that most of you got no damn clue about how aggression really works in the new system, can we stfu and move on already?
  • Sarah xCalibre