Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This has already been answered.

So why do you want to nerf freighters, what problem are you trying to solve and why not simply ask for a new ship type?

Sure.

It doesn't answer the question though: why do you want to nerf freighters, what problem are you trying to solve and why not simply ask for a new ship type?

…but the enforced reduction in cargo space that accompany it will be. No amount of “right attributes” will let the ship perform the same as before. It must inherently be worse due to the module penalties involved.

So why do you want to nerf freighters, what problem are you trying to solve and why not simply ask for a new ship type?

This has already been answered.

So why do you want to nerf freighters, what problem are you trying to solve and why not simply ask for a new ship type?

Incorrect.

So why do you want to nerf freighters, what problem are you trying to solve and why not simply ask for a new ship type?

Last chance. If you can't answer it now, after all the time you've had and two threads explaining the problem to you (and one them being closed because of your incessant trolling), then we know for certain that you cannot think of any compelling reason why this nerf should happen or come up with any redeeming features of your idea that would counteract this reduction in capacity and capability.

No.

But at least now something has been established: you can't think of any good reason for the nerf you proposed.

Before you try again, my suggestion is that you learn to read and/or fire your handler for being a lazy git.

No. You were given ample time opportunity to explain your reasoning for this nerf. You failed to do so. Upon being given one last chance to explain yourself, you squandered it on saying that you've ignored every post made in both your threads (which would further explain why you missed the fact that this would mean that you agreed that your idea was rubbish).

Thus we can safely conclude that your idea is completely without merit — not even you can think of any reason why this nerf should happen.

If you are confused at this point, my only suggestion is that you learn to read and/or fire your handler since (s)he hasn't done his or her job properly in reading things back to you. Oh, and if you (the handler) are censoring this for Souisa, shame on you.

Not entirely about the handler — I know you're just playing stupid, which is arguably worse. At least if you had a handicap, you'd have a proper excuse.

No. I've been asking a very simple question that you should have had no problem answering if you had thought your idea through and if you had any clue about the mechanics and balance considerations at play. Your repeated inability to answer this question, only creating more and more questions in the process, has neatly demonstrated that your idea is ill-conceived and founded on a deep-seated lack of comprehension about the things you want to adjust. Add to this your trolling by trying to play the same ignorance card over and over again, and the conclusion is simple: you've known from the very start that your idea is rubbish.

Not quite. The argument is based on the fact that you didn't say anything when you really should have (especially considering the lengthy explanations given to you about why your idea doesn't work the way you want it to work).

You're confusing me with you. You've posted noting but incorrect assumptions, arguments from (feigned) ignorance, and arrogant dismissals of pertinent questions. At no point did you post anything that addresses the massive amounts of problems with your idea or indeed anything that made your idea worth-while.

So why do you want to nerf the freighter, when you could ask for a new ship type?

It would be a nerf, you obviously don't understand that.

Do you know what freighters were designed for? Their name is kind of a give away, but just in case I'll let you know.

Freight. They are in fact the largest freight carriers within the game and their sole purpose is to carry vast amounts of it.

As you have already mentioned the Charon, I'll continue with that.
Freighters were designed to carry freight. The Tech 1 version the Charon carries the most @ 981,250m3 @ Race freighter skill level 5.
The tech 2 version Rhea, has jump drive capabilities and carries less. It's reduced cargo capacity is specifically designed so the Charon isn't under used, as well as to balance the cargo capacity itself. So it's maximum cargo capacity ends up at 367,969m3. It does however, gain a 10% bonus to shield, armour and hull hit points per Jump Freighters Skill level.

Now we get to your idea.
Let's point out from the start, that there is no way the 'new' freighter can have more cargo m3, than it has now. One reason is that there has to be a limit, you simply can't have too large a hold in order to maintain game balance. Another reason is, that this limit also stops any chance that capital ships could be brought into high sec.
Also it would need a nerf to it's hull hit points, so they too would not become OP with modules.

So from the start, we have two nerfs.

So when this is taken into account, at no point does the freighter end up with the same stats as before.

• Want the same cargo as before? Then you end up with a slow, weaker ship than before. That's a nerf.
• Want the same hull hit points? Then you'll end up with far less cargo space and slower ship than before. That's a nerf.
• Want a faster ship than before? Then you'll end up with far less cargo and a far weaker ship than before. That's a nerf.

There are no combinations that end up giving this new ship, that same stats as before. So it's main role carrying freight, (the one it was designed for) is compromised.

So it begs the question: Why do you want to nerf the freighter, when you could ask for another ship type instead?