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Demoted from Brogrammer already? That's disappointing.

Noticeably absent is any time allocated for testing and fixing the inevitable issues,as the chances of it working correctly first time given unfamiliarity with the code-base are so close to zero that I would bet all of Destrouth's current belongings...

If the original aggressors can now withdraw from a now mutual war then whats the point in declaring it mutual in the first place? How are defenders supposed to ransom their former aggressors now turned victims if they're allowed to leave any time they want?

If anything there should be a set fee = to a % of the losses of the defenders required by the aggressors to withdraw from the war. You could even use the figures from the war reports to figure the maths say 1-25% adjustable by the defender. There shouldn't be a limit to the maximum pool of losses totaled in the % since the aggressors can withdraw anytime and should do so once they realize they'll be unable to pay the fees if they continue to get kills.

EX: Attackers end up destroying 50 billion in assets the denfenders can set the fee for them to withdraw up to 25% if they purely want to recover isk from their losses or they can set the amount lower if there is some other goal that they wish to achieve and not necc the isk. Such as withdrawing from some region of space etc. If the defenders wanted to recover the full amount of their losses they can always declare a war on their attackers once they withdraw and make their demands.

That way there are still consequences to the aggressors for declaring the war and to make all things mutual defenders who would like to withdraw from a war should have to surrender and meet the demands of the aggressor. To prevent people from simply war deccing someone with no intent of ending a war then provide defenders with a way to withdraw themselves from the war as well. If a defender decided to choose this route it should secure their freedom from the wardec system for a single week to prevent alt corps/alliances of the aggressors from deccing them immediately after they just withdrew this should help with griefing.

The solution could be to have the defenders pay an isk ransom dependent on the number of members they had when the war started. Somewhere around 2.5 Million per member would be fair I think and have it scale so that a corp of 1k members wouldn't have to pay a ridiculous fee. The scale could range from a maximum of 1 billion for a smaller corp/alliance up to 10 billion for a larger corp/alliance That way the cost isn't so demanding that it simply cannot be paid.

EX: a corp that started with 100 members would have to pay 250 million isk to withdraw from the war which would go to the aggressors otherwise they can defend themselves and if things go well they can declare it mutual and recover up to 25% of their losses if they can make the aggressors withdraw. Other wise if the the war isn't declared mutual and the aggressors end up not continuing the war after a week then there is no isk paid either way.

If anything the War Declaration system should be viewed as an extension of the new bounty system allowing the aggressors the opportunity to collect isk from a corp/alliance that has had a high bounty placed on them by hunting them in high sec with the risk of consequences should they do poorly and become victims themselves. The above system should facilitate such a concept and work well in conjunction with the new bounty system that is being released.

So once the wardec is withdrawn is the war ended immediately or is there a cool down / 1 week timer?

Likely this is already posted somewhere apologies if already asked/answered.

proving once again that the only way to get things fixed by CCP is to gash a gaping wound in game mechanics.

good job Zerg or Goons or whoever the ****

I did lose it :(

and a pod :(

total loss of about 400m for a ship that had done well in excess of 2bn damage so I was like 'meh'!

I get killed like everyone else, only I kill 9 ships or pods before i go :)

I think I'll just stop posting in this thread, too many people just like to be angry and take what I say and twist my words. The initial problem in this thread has been solved (for Retribution), some people like the solution and some people don't, that's how it is with all our changes anyways.

fly safe! o7

Beat me to it. Clearly people are angry and misdirecting it at you Punkturis.

There is a larger discussion to be had about the design of the system. While I am sure Punkturis could contribute some valuable insight to that, that discussion needs to be had with Soniclover and perhaps Soundwave (nothing personal guys, just not happy with some of these designs you pushed out).

Forum warriors, please stop venting at the person implementing the fixes and save it (or preferably rational well constructed discussions) for the people designing the broken systems. Cause we don't want her to stop posting. Aside from missing her sparkling personality, this communication is invaluable to both parties.

I don't always white knight... but when I do, I white knight for CCP Punkturis. (I realize I seem to be white-knighting hard here, but really we do need to get to the heart of the matter and get this back on track. These attacks are deeply misplaced.)

PS - Also a side note: While I am very glad Aleks is involved, I am afraid that although he's really good at representing the pirate/merc's point of view, he's not very good at dealing with the others. He can sympathize with them just enough to represent what keeps them being good targets.

I hope you (all at CCP) don't restrict yourself to just Aleks.

Are you suggesting that Punkturis is lying to you for the purpose of getting you to drop war decs?

You proved your point. You got the fix. Done deal. Drop the decs.

Or you can admit that you were just getting in on some high quality griefing. Which is exactly what you were doing.

weak. just weak. very very very weak.

tbh? I'm smart enough not to get caught up in bullshit like this. He's stated his goal as getting a fix. The fix has been announced. End of discussion.

Or did you mean to post as Zerg. I know it can be hard to keep your story straight with so many alts.