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Pretty much this.

Don't like the idea of a static payment though. I think that the aggressors, if wanting to drop out of a mutual war, should have a 1 week timer, so that they are stuck for at least that long. The war should not be transferable in any way during that time.

"However I'm no longer sure what their intended design for the wardec system is."

Not sure they are either.

Small improvements are welcome, but there is still a far larger conversation to have. Thank you for appropriate stick poking to bring this need to light.

You wouldn't work on the right topic if you won't get fire from both sides. If you happen to get no bad feedback you simply work on something most people don't care about. As soon as you do get that feedback, you know something is right because people care.

In order to retreat from a mutual war the aggressor might simply pay concord again to drop the case. But some cost wouldn't harm since concord has to do some additional paperwork right?

1. - Aggressor can withdraw wars at any time.
OR
2. - Wars are non-transferable.
- Aggressor corporations can join alliances while having active outgoing wars.

Pick either option one or option two in order to fix the system.

Just a suggestion about mutual war and consequences.

Corp A decs B and pays wardec fees. Corp B wants to punish corp A and thinks that has abilities to do it (so want to create consequences for attacker). Corp B makes war mutual with simple rules:
1. Each corp pays a highest of two wardec fees +50% each week (or maybe each corp pays it's own fee), but only 10-20% goes to CONCORD. Main part goes to war ISK pool.
2. Each week mutual war goes pool increases by fees.
3. Corp which wins the war (by accepting surrender or if war was retracted) gets everything from the pool.

So corps involved in mutual dec will have to put ISK into it. Commit into the war. And defenders - have a chance to get something from it.

North

Dolan, pls.

Your not helping. Try saying something constructive, about war decs.

I'd go with:

- Mutual = both agree. No 1-sided crap. Declining a mutual would be no different than declining a surrender.

- No joining an alliance while your corporation has a mutual wardec going. That must be resolved prior to joining a new alliance. War = OK, mutual war = not OK.

- Dissolving of a corporation/alliance = purged issue. "Last man standing" = them. (the old "reform" avoidance gig)

As for "scraping off" a war declared on a corporation:

If that corporation joins and leaves an alliance, the war follows them - not staying on the alliance. An inheritance attributed attached to the war -- source style -- with a notice to the parties that the alliance level war with that aggressor will end in 24 hours upon that corporation leaving (a war follows the original target). "Leaves" meaning for any reason - kicked or voluntary or dissolved. Any "not in it" means a war enters 'cooldown' phase.

That should end most scraping off issues and any concerns about someone bouncing through alliances. If you want to keep a war on a given alliance, your CEO would have to file to keep that war against said alliance. If not, 24 hours after your target leaves that alliance, the alliance level war ends but the target corp retains that war status.

If you step into a trap, you stepped into it - suck it up and fix it by dissolving your organization yet such a trap needs consent. As such, both groups would need to agree to a mutual war -- you know... "mutual" as in more than 1 agreeing to something?

Turning a "last team standing" contest into a "we're losing so we'll just drop it" by those that started a fight is poor form. Their actions should hold consequences, not more lulz, but this current situation is pretty lame, with the proposed "fix" being on par with the problem it attempts to resolve.

Could a DEV please answer my question?

I can see your all enjoying deleting posts that troll CCP but whilst your at it......

If a war dec is dropped by the corp that created it in the first place is this immediate or is there a week long timer?

Thanks

That's counterproductive. Now I want to post bad posts.