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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#421 - 2012-11-08 15:00:19 UTC
Implant manufacturing in the hands of the players removes yet another ISK sink.


How long before there is a "wallet tax" to start soaking up some of the excess ISK? Then, EVE can show the real world why the global economy is broken.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#422 - 2012-11-08 16:54:23 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Johan Civire wrote:
I was thinking there are stop working on this wis project the still working on it ? ps no hating just want to now because iam a big fan of this project.



They stopped ,thats all



the problem pal i dont believe you and all your post *see your own history, are hated and bashing the wis project so your lying atleast 90% of your post.


So move on troll and let real people answer my question!
thanks and end of discusion about this.



read this thread again from the beginning

Its about that CCP thinks its better to discuss WIS on next fanfest rather then the usual discussions we had with Team Avatar

and about Team Avatar stopping with Avatar work for this winter expansion and beyond

CCP Unifex wrote:


So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.


Second post in this thread ,read again pls
And if you have read all the WIS threads before you should know that i am not a wishater ,but reading whole threads seems to be difficult

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#423 - 2012-11-08 17:05:07 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Shamus O'Reilly wrote:
All i can think of right now is being actually like a real pirate where you can disable ships and board them.

Can anyone say? "RAIDING PARTY!!!" PirateBig smile


It's pretty fun. I got to play this, actually. In Pirates of the Burning Sea MMO. Back in January 2008. Yeah...cutting edge stuff... Big smile

Stitcher wrote:
Business as usual then. I really don't know why I bother coming here. This exact same thing happened with Incarna - they had what I personally thought was a great idea to add whole new player-driven sections of the economy to the game, and a noisy faction of luddites in the community pissed all over it because it didn't fit their narrow vision of what EVE should be. I'm still angry about that.


That's a very shortsighted way of looking at it. Everything has a price. Incarna had a price too, as in how long it took to make, and how neglected the rest of the game was while it was being developed. In terms of "bang for your buck", Incarna expansion was a huge letdown. Was it merely the first step? Yes. Would the next few steps (within the year) have been better and added meaningful gameplay if everyone stayed quiet? Doubtful. In fact, I'd go with a very concrete "nope" for that one. Why? Look how long it took them to just prototype meaningful avatar-based gameplay, never mind actually go on and implement it. Look how long it took to get character creator alone working, and iron out major bugs in character creation and clothing. Even had they managed to add walking in stations within a year, how long would it have kept you entertained? Day? Week? I'd be bored of it within hours because there wouldn't be any reason to do ti, there'd be no gameplay involved. If they added games? Virtual game of chess within a virtual game? Kinda silly. And so on.

Very, very simple. Bang for your buck. Can they implement it? Yes. But how long will it take, at what cost, and will it pay off in subs? Not to mention that the whole Incarna thing wasn't just due to Incarna itself. If you search the old posts, you'll see it was a combination of multiple factors that triggered the meltdown.

Personally I was very much in favour of Incarna, based on the stuff that was shown years prior to Incarna's release. But when it became obvious that we'd get virtually no meaningful content from it, and it would take years more to get it going, very naturally people rebelled. If they told you today that ship rebalance will take 3 years, and in that time you'd see almost no changes to the game, would you be happy? Probably not. Too little bang for your buck. It's exactly the same with Incarna. That's really the only "beef" that many naysayers have with ambulation - it's not worth the price, currently.




Replies like this makes me wonder how EvE was when it started and how it is today


for now i say lets forget about WIS
not because the forum bashing against trolls in every WIS thread after Incarna
Not bc after Incarna ,people demand the impossible ,when it comes to WIS
NOt bc every thing CCP does ,what this community ask ,it is never enough

And thats it, WIS can,t be implemented into EvE,bc of the extraordinary expectations people have now
BC of the failure more then a year ago and i don,t b talk about the WIS thing,People are demanding more and more
People demands are so huge from Ambulation its impossible now

Why is it impossible? They are finished or close to finished with prototyping.
If it is impossible to put out meaningful gameplay then just scrap the whole thing.


CCP would show us ,If they had something interesting ,to calm down the WIS hating whiners and the ones who always whine ,when CCP changes something in this game






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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#424 - 2012-11-08 22:50:57 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

CCP would show us ,If they had something interesting ,to calm down the WIS hating whiners and the ones who always whine ,when CCP changes something in this game


I know that your really Pro-WiS, but most of the time it doesn't show. Every post you make is pessimistic, down treading and damn near soul destroying. you need to be less argumentative.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#425 - 2012-11-09 02:54:00 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

CCP would show us ,If they had something interesting ,to calm down the WIS hating whiners and the ones who always whine ,when CCP changes something in this game


I know that your really Pro-WiS, but most of the time it doesn't show. Every post you make is pessimistic, down treading and damn near soul destroying. you need to be less argumentative.



I was less argumentative in the forum discussions before ,but it seems CCP or any of the whiners cares about people who try to discuss in a normal manner.
Besides ,what is the use of making of constructive comments ,after CCP decided to remove the discussion from this forum and get it to some select ones at fanfest.
You can all go crazy about WIS here ,but CCP decided to ignore this forum and ignoring the discussion thread before this one.
They decided to ignore the ones who came up with a lot of good ideas and even the people who demand so called meaningful game play .


And if you find my remarks soul destroying,i am sorry for that .

fly safe

R.S.I2014
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#426 - 2012-11-09 12:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

I was less argumentative in the forum discussions before ,but it seems CCP or any of the whiners cares about people who try to discuss in a normal manner.
Besides ,what is the use of making of constructive comments ,after CCP decided to remove the discussion from this forum and get it to some select ones at fanfest.
You can all go crazy about WIS here ,but CCP decided to ignore this forum and ignoring the discussion thread before this one.
They decided to ignore the ones who came up with a lot of good ideas and even the people who demand so called meaningful game play .

And if you find my remarks soul destroying,i am sorry for that .

fly safe


I know it seems that way, but CCP do listen from time to time. The thread about the Bounty Hunting that was created by Malcanis spent months arguing about how the bounty hunting system should look, and petitioned to get it fixed. As a result the new bounty hunting system in Retribution includes most of the ideas put out by those of us arguing in that thread. I personally, am very happy to have taken part. And I'm very happy to see a system put in place that's been so constructively talked through, not just by CCP, but by the players.

CCP do listen, even if it takes them like... a year... to do anything meaningful about it. The more people involved, the more inclined they will be to listen. Although there isn't really anything in this thread to discuss, people posting their support here and showing that they want this sooner rather than later, and instead of some of the FiS stuff will hopefully give them some incentive to continue. They do read the forums.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Zillazuki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#427 - 2012-11-09 12:58:47 UTC
I don't like the idea of leaving my ship...can't I just send in a robot to do the exploration work and control it remotely?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#428 - 2012-11-09 13:02:27 UTC
When/if the avatar exploration content comes out, do you think the controls will be designed to be played with a gamepad? I hate controlling third person viewed avatars with a mouse and keyboard...

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#429 - 2012-11-09 13:17:58 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
When/if the avatar exploration content comes out, do you think the controls will be designed to be played with a gamepad? I hate controlling third person viewed avatars with a mouse and keyboard...


I very much doubt that. It is after all, designed for Eve, a PC game. Why would they design it for a gamepad?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Escomboli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#430 - 2012-11-09 13:31:26 UTC
I'm sorry for the people that don't like this idea, but to me it sounds awesome. Maybe have certain NPC's drop "star maps" that act like treasure maps where you have to have certain skills to decipher, and track where the location is. They would lead you to abandoned (or not so much) structures, wrecks, mining colonies, etc.


Yes CCP, +1 for this.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#431 - 2012-11-10 07:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Arduemont wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

I was less argumentative in the forum discussions before ,but it seems CCP or any of the whiners cares about people who try to discuss in a normal manner.
Besides ,what is the use of making of constructive comments ,after CCP decided to remove the discussion from this forum and get it to some select ones at fanfest.
You can all go crazy about WIS here ,but CCP decided to ignore this forum and ignoring the discussion thread before this one.
They decided to ignore the ones who came up with a lot of good ideas and even the people who demand so called meaningful game play .

And if you find my remarks soul destroying,i am sorry for that .

fly safe


I know it seems that way, but CCP do listen from time to time. The thread about the Bounty Hunting that was created by Malcanis spent months arguing about how the bounty hunting system should look, and petitioned to get it fixed. As a result the new bounty hunting system in Retribution includes most of the ideas put out by those of us arguing in that thread. I personally, am very happy to have taken part. And I'm very happy to see a system put in place that's been so constructively talked through, not just by CCP, but by the players.

CCP do listen, even if it takes them like... a year... to do anything meaningful about it. The more people involved, the more inclined they will be to listen. Although there isn't really anything in this thread to discuss, people posting their support here and showing that they want this sooner rather than later, and instead of some of the FiS stuff will hopefully give them some incentive to continue. They do read the forums.



Edit :reply is gone,strange


edit 2:

Good for Bounty Hunting .
But this time it is CCP starting a thread.
and by Unifex,s words WIS development is stopped for this winter and beyond
There will be no more discussing about WIS with any CCP dev until Fanfest here on the forum.
How do you discuss WIS on a event like Fanfest?
the only thing will happen at Fanfest ,there will will be 1 minute item and if you are lucky a video about WIS.

So there is the reason for the ranting ,i do.
They moved the discussion from the only place you can do with the community,to a festival.
We can display our wishes and ideas here ,all we want,but it will be discussed by half drunk people

R.S.I2014
Ghazu
#432 - 2012-11-10 08:00:40 UTC
oldbut what will happen is, silence until the fanfest, and a big bang unveiling presentation at the fanfest, and discussion will resume after that.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#433 - 2012-11-10 08:05:00 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
oldbut what will happen is, silence until the fanfest, and a big bang unveiling presentation at the fanfest, and discussion will resume after that.



lets hope ,that is the case

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#434 - 2012-11-10 08:08:52 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
oldbut what will happen is, silence until the fanfest, and a big bang unveiling presentation at the fanfest, and discussion will resume after that.



lets hope ,that is the case


This ^_^

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
flakeys
Doomheim
#435 - 2012-11-10 08:59:26 UTC
Besides being more of a spaceship person myself this reminds me a bit of the first time WIS was spoken about .In other words i expect to see it around 2015 earliest IF it even get's to see daylight.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#436 - 2012-11-10 14:21:45 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
oldbut what will happen is, silence until the fanfest, and a big bang unveiling presentation at the fanfest, and discussion will resume after that.



lets hope ,that is the case


This ^_^


That ^
Irya Boone
The Scope
#437 - 2012-11-10 15:10:43 UTC
just need to transform the ship into my avatar and let me run in corridors to kill others or play games in BIG CQs
And most of all let me explore Sleepers Structures and fight in it against players ennemies or drones etc etc

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Belanar Colt
Divinus Gloria Intra
#438 - 2012-11-10 23:06:42 UTC
What?

Hi I was curious to find out, when is that button like ever going to be green? You know... that one, the "Station Door Button".
Also, how does the public find this idea?

- To walk around ships while a Captain is on board! Such as, a Capital ship! Also to utilize the cargo bay and contracts to hand the CPT while in his or her cargo hold?
- To utilize Contracting to another era, having Contract Escort along side Contract Courier, to have Contract Security to pickup and eliminate who ever is on the other side of that paper. If need be, as the opportunity may present itself, pick up the bounty isk if that case presents itself ontop.
- To have a walk-about on a ship, giving these men and women, our beloved peers the opportunity to present stowaway as it is not a crime, but a role-playing measure for the CPT himself or if so the woman herself the selection of options to take in such a situation if ever one arises. To have pods. Chaffs for those pods. Pretty little tables to sit at. Conference rooms to have a number of optional animations to select at, when chosen words are spoken. There are a value of selections, rich numbers in that I have no doubt are more compitent in the success of accomplishing ideas such at those above, and hopefully more below. Think about it!


Don't forget me!

- Belanar Colt ~ Chase Dreamz
Attero Dominatus Alabel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#439 - 2012-11-11 01:11:08 UTC
"Wow, I'm now landing from a pod onto PS3!"

ADA
..........
White T95
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#440 - 2012-11-11 01:14:19 UTC
Attero Dominatus Alabel wrote:
"Wow, I'm now landing from a pod onto PS3!"

ADA
..........



Perhaps this sort of gaming will give the pilots the availability to indulge themself into DUST514 aspects a little more. Perhaps using these tools from previous Dev comments, and the one above the option to interact with EVE and pod to Dust