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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#361 - 2012-10-29 16:25:11 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
Alpheias wrote:


"A lot of people"? The only ones I can think of are strange people who probably already are in second life, like Jade Constantine and obnoxious people like Issler whatsherface.

Wat? I was in sl last night for a bit in fact, before loading EVE and doing a hookbill rebuild and running some shake-down missions with it. Great game for us artist and scripter types that sl. I've had accounts there for many years, long before I subbed to EVE (EVE was a replacement for the best mmo ever, SWG, with bi-pod play that wis could never even aspire to). But I was here before incarna was released, and yes I remember clearly overwhelming rejection of even working on wis before cq was released. Having sl accounts and EVE, yep I had no desire for sl to be in EVE ...or really more accurately I think, for EVE to turn into the SIMS online.

But you know, I'm just going to retract my original post of supporting work on wis. I've had no interest in really talking about wis since the release of cq or even before, and I just don't want to be mistakenly connected to the long time wis advocates here that seem to be unable to even remember what they had for lunch yesterday.

I still recognize that the majority of players that play this game still don't want wis, they have no agenda to be here in forums 24/7 like wis supporters do trying to convince ccp to not listen to the majority of the playerbase. Most players in the game probably don't even know about this thread, it's stealthy as I didn't see it on my rss feed last night when I was looking for it there. Maybe a news spot for this in the launch client would be ideal? Probably not, eh? heh. But no, they don't support it, never did. Maybe CCP can sell it to them, best done after iteration as that isn't just some whimsical idea the majority of players had which certainly made the reception of wis all that more vile for most players. Flame away trolls, I'm done with this thread.


ByeRoll

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#362 - 2012-10-30 15:07:52 UTC
Oh, hey, and update from Team Avatar that I would have totally missed if it wasn't for Mara Rinn bringing it to my attention.
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CCP Bayesian wrote:
A benefit from the EVA game is that a lot of the technology that would need to be developed to properly deliver the EVA experience would be directly useful in providing social areas and tools in stations.
Oh, allright. Carry on then.
CCP Unifex wrote:
It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space.
But I guess this means you won't, as I can't see how developing this won't take away resources from FIS development.
...
Oh, wait it probably means it will impact the other stuff I've been waiting for, like WoD.
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Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2012-10-30 17:48:40 UTC
Che Biko wrote:

Oh, wait it probably means it will impact the other stuff I've been waiting for, like WoD.
Sad


Whats WoD?

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#364 - 2012-10-30 19:04:31 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:
I still recognize that the majority of players that play this game still don't want wis, they have no agenda to be here in forums 24/7 like wis supporters do trying to convince ccp to not listen to the majority of the playerbase.


I feel it would be really easy for CCP to gather information that is actually representative of the population. They could easily set up a poll and offer 100 random winners a free PLEX for completing it. Vast majority of players would take the survey. Then they'd know. Until then, none of us can really speak about what the majority want. We just don't know.

Second point is that while some people do want WiS, they are very aware of the price. The proverbial bang for your buck. For example, the Incarna expansion was an utter disaster in this regard. The bang (expansion) for the buck (nearly 2 years of almost no changes to the core game) was absolutely not worth it. I don't know anyone who thinks that it was.

So, when asked, even people who want WiS would likely vote against WiS if they're told in no uncertain terms that the cost of getting it operational will be little/no changes to the game for another year or two. It's just not worth it.

CCP can do something about it though. They can hire more people, and take a gamble. Develop the tech, implement it. Worst case scenario, it'll be wasted on EVE but can be re-used for World of Darkness. This way, everyone is happy. FiS players keep enjoying EVE, and its development continues. WiS players get their WiS. And WoD is one step closer to release. Though it'll cost them to get this done, and breaking in new people is never quick.

In a way, this is why so many folks are rather disgusted with Dust 514. I don't see a future for it. And yet, if CCP pooled those resources into WiS, we'd likely have it already.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#365 - 2012-10-30 20:55:22 UTC
Johnny Bloomington wrote:
Che Biko wrote:

Oh, wait it probably means it will impact the other stuff I've been waiting for, like WoD.
Sad


Whats WoD?

Assuming thats not a troll, World of Darkness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Y3TYtyt8E&feature=fvsr

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#366 - 2012-10-30 23:04:29 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Johnny Bloomington wrote:
Che Biko wrote:

Oh, wait it probably means it will impact the other stuff I've been waiting for, like WoD.
Sad


Whats WoD?

Assuming thats not a troll, World of Darkness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Y3TYtyt8E&feature=fvsr


Vaporware... :P

Seriously though, since it was announced in 2006 and supposedly started development in 2009, we haven't seen any gameplay footage at all. Not even a tiny little smidgeon. Much less a release date... :(
Heian Galanodel
Shadow Legion Y
Seriously Suspicious
#367 - 2012-10-31 00:19:09 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

Vaporware... :P

Seriously though, since it was announced in 2006 and supposedly started development in 2009, we haven't seen any gameplay footage at all. Not even a tiny little smidgeon. Much less a release date... :(


That would definitely make Chris and a bunch of other hard working developer's sad. Vaporware? Most likely not.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#368 - 2012-10-31 03:12:49 UTC
Heian Galanodel wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

Vaporware... :P

Seriously though, since it was announced in 2006 and supposedly started development in 2009, we haven't seen any gameplay footage at all. Not even a tiny little smidgeon. Much less a release date... :(


That would definitely make Chris and a bunch of other hard working developer's sad. Vaporware? Most likely not.



So the Devs from WOD are beyond prototyping ?

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Oberine Noriepa
#369 - 2012-10-31 03:42:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Johnny Bloomington wrote:
Che Biko wrote:

Oh, wait it probably means it will impact the other stuff I've been waiting for, like WoD.
Sad


Whats WoD?

Assuming thats not a troll, World of Darkness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Y3TYtyt8E&feature=fvsr


Vaporware... :P

Seriously though, since it was announced in 2006 and supposedly started development in 2009, we haven't seen any gameplay footage at all. Not even a tiny little smidgeon. Much less a release date... :(

In-engine footage was shown earlier this year at Fanfest. (Video) Keep in mind that this footage was captured using assets created in 2010. CCP also released this video within the same year: Carbon Character Technology

Given how good this looks, just imagine what EVE's avatar gameplay could look like. I really like the character animation in the second video. It would be great if EVE animated that nicely. Cloth physics, inverse kinematics, and all of that good stuff. Smile

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#370 - 2012-10-31 08:10:59 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
CCP can do something about it though. They can hire more people, and take a gamble. Develop the tech, implement it. Worst case scenario, it'll be wasted on EVE but can be re-used for World of Darkness. This way, everyone is happy. FiS players keep enjoying EVE, and its development continues. WiS players get their WiS. And WoD is one step closer to release. Though it'll cost them to get this done, and breaking in new people is never quick.


I think it's more likely they'll just invent the tech for WoD and then use it in Eve, rather than the other way around. I seem to remember hearing that some of the WoD team have been used to help out with Eve on a few occasions, which is a better idea than hiring more people in total. You shouldn't really gamble with people's jobs.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#371 - 2012-10-31 13:39:06 UTC
My guess it it was

Team A, you make avatars work
Team E, you make stuff that uses the avatars in Eve
Team W, you make stuff that uses avatars in WoD

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#372 - 2012-10-31 17:45:47 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Johnny Bloomington wrote:
Che Biko wrote:

Oh, wait it probably means it will impact the other stuff I've been waiting for, like WoD.
Sad


Whats WoD?

Assuming thats not a troll, World of Darkness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Y3TYtyt8E&feature=fvsr


Vaporware... :P

Seriously though, since it was announced in 2006 and supposedly started development in 2009, we haven't seen any gameplay footage at all. Not even a tiny little smidgeon. Much less a release date... :(

In-engine footage was shown earlier this year at Fanfest. (Video) Keep in mind that this footage was captured using assets created in 2010. CCP also released this video within the same year: Carbon Character Technology

Given how good this looks, just imagine what EVE's avatar gameplay could look like. I really like the character animation in the second video. It would be great if EVE animated that nicely. Cloth physics, inverse kinematics, and all of that good stuff. Smile



Sounds great ,but to keep everybody happy ,Team Avatar has to prototype for another year or two ,three ,four

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Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#373 - 2012-11-01 18:03:27 UTC
I wish they would just ignore the whiners and move more employees over the focus on WiS.
Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2012-11-01 18:28:50 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
I wish they would just ignore the whiners and move more employees over the focus on WiS.

I think they will after old core game mechanics get fixed first. I also want new station hangers so I can see the scale of these monsters.

CCP wish list: show damage on ships and open that door!
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2012-11-01 18:34:10 UTC
It's just a matter of time. WiS will get completed. It's part of CCP's vision for the game. Frankly I keep seeing people say "the majority want WiS" or "the majority don't want WiS". Frankly you don't know either way what the majority want. Until CCP pulls a mass vote on such an issue to get a feel for it...we won't know. I suspect, however, that the majority of people playing EVE don't give two ***** whether or not CCP works on WiS and just want to continue playing EVE the way they always have. I say this because the vast majority of EVE players don't care enough to even read these forums.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#376 - 2012-11-01 18:35:44 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
I wish they would just ignore the whiners and move more employees over the focus on WiS.



The whiners had a good reason a more then a year ago.
But even now with almost all the resources the FIS part of this game has, they keep on whining
Every thing CCP does to please this type of crowd is met with a lot of negative response ,from the same crowd.
There is nothing wrong with a bit more balancing of the resources ,but CCP is so afraid of the few

Why focusing all your men power to something ,that will not satisfy somebody in the end


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Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2012-11-01 18:51:20 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
I wish they would just ignore the whiners and move more employees over the focus on WiS.



The whiners had a good reason a more then a year ago.
But even now with almost all the resources the FIS part of this game has, they keep on whining
Every thing CCP does to please this type of crowd is met with a lot of negative response ,from the same crowd.
There is nothing wrong with a bit more balancing of the resources ,but CCP is so afraid of the few

Why focusing all your men power to something ,that will not satisfy somebody in the end




Just like some women with their noses in the air. You can give them a 10" kock and they still wouldn't be happy.Cool

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#378 - 2012-11-01 21:10:51 UTC
The possibilities.

Goosebumps.....

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#379 - 2012-11-01 21:47:22 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
The possibilities.

Goosebumps.....



don,t think about those possibilities to much.

having goosebumps for the next 5 year is not healthy

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#380 - 2012-11-01 22:48:19 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:
The possibilities.

Goosebumps.....



don,t think about those possibilities to much.

having goosebumps for the next 5 year is not healthy



If it means putting the train wreck that was Incarna finaly to bed, then I am happy to wait.

Serously:

CCP Bayesian wrote:

Extra-Vehicular Activity, Wrecks and Exploration


...nearly collasped at this point, but just managed to hold it together long enough to read CCP Unifex.

So we won't get this yet, but CCP Unifex has my support: do this and do it right.

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