Warfare & Tactics

So, first of all stop trolling all that are not involve in this and cant do a proper reaply to this matter.
Second yes we are bad at english .
The point is we are not affraid of this war they have 10 almost inactive players.
We dont have option for surrender,abord or what ever u want to exit this war, not even an option to give money or other metod to play some fee.
We haved been transfered to a senior GM and the answer was the same: Disband the corp!(This is the massive fail)
For all that cant understand we cant f****** disband a 10 years old corp because ccp cant find a solution to this matter, i rather say exploit that are using this guys for blocking us to enter an alliance.
So the big problem is We cant enter any alliance because of this **** war and we want a solution to end or even the possibility to apply to any alliance we want.

Wow this is a very bad idea on ccp's part i mean they passed out on all that isk if the war is declared mutual .

On the other hand i am wondering how much time did they spend on this idea since there is no exit strategy other than of course the mutual agreement. But thinking about this some more anyone can create a corp put it into a alliance that is being wardeced and then inherit the was and declare mutual and hunt the wardeccing alliance/ corp until ccp decides on a alternative option or shuts down the server . That would serve very well with the old war deccing like Moar Tears Privateers and co :) . I don't think anyone would want a perma war with those guys esp the 0.0 alliances . I thought the new price for war was to prevent these stupid war decs and make the real ones more fun but since this loophole exists and well it has been deemed a normal game mechanic it will probably become a normal thing in new eden in a few days . Yes u need to fall in for the trap as u need to do the wardec but some ppl never read ....


All i would like to say further is ...

IN B4 IT HAPPENS TO GEWNS AND THE MECHANIC IS CHANGED BY MASS PETITION




OFC : I forgot about the disband thing but that is just simply ******** imagine disbanding a corp like dreddit or smth with 8k players

This is an absolutely horrible mechanic. CCP will not fix it. At some point, Dec Shield Alliance will grow big enough to effectively block every single corporation in Eve from ever joining an alliance and then maybe CCP will fix it.

To clear things up, here is how the relevant mechanics work:

1. You cannot join an alliance if you are an aggressor in a war
2. If a corporation leaves an alliance that is at war, it declares war (ie becomes the aggressor) against all the corps/alliances at war with the alliance you are leaving.
3. If a corp who is a defender in a war joins an alliance, that wardec is transferred to the alliance with the alliance as the defender.
4. The defender can set the war mutual, which creates a forever war, at any time and all the above rules still apply

So, the only way to ensure that you cannot be indefinitely blocked from joining an alliances is A)Never declare war and B) Never leave an alliance who is at war.

We actually fell victim to this by a specialized type of militia griefing corp. They join a militia and then start ganking friendly militia. They use the militia standing "feature" of having some high standing chars to offset the standing loss. Other militia corps cannot really engage back because of the standing loss issue. They wait for a militia corp to be sufficiently annoyed to wardec them. Once they are war deced, they join an empty alliance, set the war mutual, then ransom you. At this point the militia corp can never join an alliance. The greifers can either abandon the original corp or drop alliance and keep baiting more militia corps.

It is actually a very intelligent griefing concept taking advantage of CCP's HORRIBLE game design that still applies to rules to mutual wardecs.

Sounds like a horrible mechanic.


to the OP Emperor Throne Guards is an alt corp .

You should contact Bad Messenger he's usualy online.:)

I'm sure he'll discuss terms with you. You probaly wont like them tho.

I read about 90% of the posts...and a few questions pop up.

Who is the other corp?

Have you tried hunting them out and seeing if they are inactive (rather than just ignoring your pleas for surrender)?

What do I need to do to get in on this action, I can see ransoms paying out nicely for situations like this.

well this guys are taking advantage of this from 2009, and CCP just acting like nothing is happening. I just found a post about something similar like this, where they are listed with their alts:
" FW trouble
From: Ankhesentapemkah
Sent: 2009.12.04 02:05
To: Jade Constantine,

Hello Jade, how's it going?

As you may know, the PERVS and Cadre corps are exploiting FW bugs heavily and currently capturing all Minmatar space. If nothing is done they'll have it within the month.

I've already informed CCP but CCP didnt care when they used exploits to capture all gallente space either, stupid slackers.

Anyway, Z0D, my puppet on the CSM, is hiring all mercs he can find to grief them out of the game if CCp doesnt ban them, and Electus matari and a lot of gallente FW corps are going after them as well, starting this weekend. I'll finally get into PVP with my alt, as this is something worth fighting for!

Are you in as well?

Thanks, Eva

Info about the targets:

Main Targets:
Damar Rocarion
Bad Messenger
Unfamed II
Kuolematon
Yuri Intaki (likely Damar's alt or shared account)

Target Corps:
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
The Cadre
Whatever corp they use for their alts, suspected corp is Emperor Throne Guards as they used this in the past.

Target Corp Members:
Blaze Doran, SoKore, Minh Aldara, Lt Merc (Cadre)
Cletanainen, Lancress, Lina Lucent, Prismaa, Vampy Vampress, Tupsu, Tosi, Talerco and Sidaro (pervs)

Alts used for FW:
Michiru Murakami, Huppu Hemmo, Eva Jubse, Suurimaaami Mehmed, Maik Zierra, Sentern Embric, Pahani Julmu, Mestari Jaakko, Zan Fee, Rage coordinator, viidentahden vakooja, Per Capano, Pim Panero, Xian Bling

Time Zone:
Damar and Bad Messenger are confirmed Finnish, Unfamed II is suspected USA, Kuolematon is suspected British. A lot of them are unemployed and can be found online at any time. PERVS is a finnish-exclusive corp, while Cadre is their non-finnish wing.
.............................."

TL:DR. Bad Messenger and Damar manage to dupe Happy Endings and foil their plans to grow their alliance even larger than it already was in addition to just getting back at them for the wardec laid on them. I gotta give Bad a +1 for the intelligent griefing mechanics he used here.

Send 500mil to this toon and your troubles will go away.

+1 Emperor Throne Guards, Bad Messenger, and Damar. Well done!

The solution to this problem is simple tbh and it's a shame ccp lack the brain power to fix it.

When a corp / alliance makes a war mutual, there is no longer an "agressing" party, both sides are effectively agressing. At this point both parties should be afforded the mechanics of a defending party