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CCP MASIVE FAIL

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svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-10-25 18:02:51 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go.

You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK.

If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that.


I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.



If they can join another alliance just the war carries with them, they should and deal with it, now I am starting to lose sympathy for OP.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-10-25 18:03:55 UTC
teroarea wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Just 2 questions why did you try and leave the alliance instead of just riding it out.
What was the point of entering the alliance to begin with.

Second if you are under a permanent war dec and nobody is active in the corp then why does it matter if you are at war or not.

I am a little confused at what you want CCP to do.
Oh and last what kind of time frame are we talking here.
Have you been at war for several months now or something ?




Because of this everlasting war the Romania Renegades corporation cannot join any allaince ......this is the game mechanics .... we cannot apply to any alliance while in war status ...in our case the happy endings alliance has began this war


Yes they did and you were in the alliance when they started it therefore you started the war and now you are stuck with it.
Now that being said.

Have you surrendered ?

Also look at this thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153021




Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#23 - 2012-10-25 18:05:09 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.

They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom.

Yeah, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt due to the obvious language issue. I think he meant "largely inactive".

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2012-10-25 18:07:04 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
If they can join another alliance just the war carries with them, they should and deal with it, now I am starting to lose sympathy for OP.
Presumably, since they were part of the alliance that started the way, they are considered the aggressors of the war (even when they leave the alliance itself since the war is copied over), and as such are not allowed to join a new alliance.

Being the aggressor corp is the only case where a wardec mechanically blocks anything you want to do.
Slasher88
BURN EDEN
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#25 - 2012-10-25 18:09:17 UTC
i think the problem is not that they have a active mutual war it's that they cannot join another alliance , i knew that for chars there is a 7 day period until they can rejoin a corp under a active war , have no idea if the same rule applies for corps that leave / join alliances .

As i understand it and also have some inside info on the situation : RR was part of a alliance that declared war on a corp , they left said alliance for whatever reason (really doubt they left because of the war) . Got stuck with a war that eventually was declared mutual and are not able to join a new alliance because of it .

If that is the case it sounds a little weird . There should be a way to join a alliance even if u are under wardec .
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-10-25 18:11:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
If they can join another alliance just the war carries with them, they should and deal with it, now I am starting to lose sympathy for OP.
Presumably, since they were part of the alliance that started the way, they are considered the aggressors of the war (even when they leave the alliance itself since the war is copied over), and as such are not allowed to join a new alliance.

Being the aggressor corp is the only case where a wardec mechanically blocks anything you want to do.



Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#27 - 2012-10-25 18:14:23 UTC
Slasher88 wrote:
i think the problem is not that they have a active mutual war it's that they cannot join another alliance , i knew that for chars there is a 7 day period until they can rejoin a corp under a active war , have no idea if the same rule applies for corps that leave / join alliances .

As i understand it and also have some inside info on the situation : RR was part of a alliance that declared war on a corp , they left said alliance for whatever reason (really doubt they left because of the war) . Got stuck with a war that eventually was declared mutual and are not able to join a new alliance because of it .

If that is the case it sounds a little weird . There should be a way to join a alliance even if u are under wardec .

I won't go that far, but I think that the corp that sets the war to mutual should have to preform some sort of upkeep and/or fee to keep it that way.

Granted, if the corp isn't really all that inactive they can easily do this... but if they really are mostly inactive they should either run out of money or eventually miss the 24 hour window of opportunity to keep the war mutual.

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Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#28 - 2012-10-25 18:17:53 UTC
Well, highsec greifers gave up the ability to do 2mil wardecs on everyone for the ability to prevent you from running away with a game mechanic. You could 'deal with it' or you could negotiate with the aggressors.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-10-25 18:19:24 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right.
Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't “sneak” in a lot of free support on the aggressor side.

The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go.

The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender.
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#30 - 2012-10-25 18:22:07 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go.

You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK.

If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that.


I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.



We have tried all options ...even the surrernding one... after 3 weeks of uselees atempts of contacting any member of theyr corp we had no rezult .....
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-10-25 18:23:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right.
Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't “sneak” in a lot of free support on the aggressor side.

The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go.

The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender.



Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question Lol
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#32 - 2012-10-25 18:25:33 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.

They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom.




We made the surrendering offer but nowbody is online to accept it
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-25 18:28:06 UTC
teroarea wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.

They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom.




We made the surrendering offer but nowbody is online to accept it



Maybe they will be online this weekend, or person with ability to accept.
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#34 - 2012-10-25 18:35:42 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
Well, highsec greifers gave up the ability to do 2mil wardecs on everyone for the ability to prevent you from running away with a game mechanic. You could 'deal with it' or you could negotiate with the aggressors.


I've tryed this thing but no results .they totaly inactives
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#35 - 2012-10-25 18:40:58 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
Tippia wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right.
Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't “sneak” in a lot of free support on the aggressor side.

The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go.

The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender.



Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question Lol



Even we have left the alliance they have the oportunity within 24 hours to make the war mutual......when we have exited the alliance the war was not mutual
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-10-25 18:45:56 UTC
teroarea wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
Tippia wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right.
Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't “sneak” in a lot of free support on the aggressor side.

The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go.

The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender.



Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question Lol



Even we have left the alliance they have the oportunity within 24 hours to make the war mutual......when we have exited the alliance the war was not mutual



Maybe that showed weakness and they thought, ha, they are running, let's make it mutual. But how is this not your fault though?
Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#37 - 2012-10-25 18:48:23 UTC
This puts a big smile on my face. I'm glad that wars mean something again and dec-shielding has gotten so much harder. I agree w/ the GM... you should disband your corp in shame and start another one, endeavoring to make better alliance and war choices in the future. +9001 to CCP for the new WarDecs!

/feature working as intended. Lol

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Metal Icarus
Wraithguard.
The Wraithguard.
#38 - 2012-10-25 18:58:51 UTC
Hmmm, now that I know more about this...

Start killing alliance members i say... fuckem
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#39 - 2012-10-25 19:00:00 UTC
Off topic posts removed.

Moved from EVE General discussion.

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teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#40 - 2012-10-25 19:11:19 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed.

Moved from EVE General discussion.


Why did u move this topic?....the topic was fitting perfectly in general discutions ......do i have to understand that u guys want to cover this topic for the plain reason that u dont have a honest answer to my questions?