Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The planet influence not being enabled is a known issue and we now know the cause.

For the unusual behavior of the bar I'd appreciate it if you could submit a bug report to help us get to the bottom of it.

Anyway FW is unplayable now, farming is only thing left, you can not capture systems anymore because contested levels seem to reset prepatch values on every down time.

some quality control plz.

Never did get why people use that phrase, it implies that everything said sans phrase is not honest ...

Reset won't happen as CCP would have to admit defeat (again). If it was to be then it should have been done when foreknowledge of impending changes was abused in the 2-3 week long Shakorite plexing frenzy up to Inferno when a single crew could flips as many systems in a day as they had manpower to burn bunkers.

- Reset shouldn't happen as there is glory and honour in clawing ones way back from zero, provided we are given the tools/mechanics to make such a thing conceivable .. which leads to

- Reset doesn't have to happen if CCP designs the system in such a way that being big and fat is detrimental to the general well-being of a militia (read: harsh as hell diminishing returns).

Time will tell if that last one ever comes to pass, initial offering aimed at rewarding being bloated (defensive LP farms) with practically no hope of any sort of comeback for the downtrodden .. hoping that the prolonged silence on that front means that it is being contemplated in earnest, although chances are that it will be implemented "as is" with only minor tweaks .. but here is to hope

As long as we're throwing out pipe dreams with no possibility.....

How about a remake of the Amarr vs. Minmatar dynamic? I don't role play. I haven't come across role players. But subconciously a race that is:

Mostly White
Slave Owners
Religious Fanatics

is very unappealing. You can't design a much more straightforward bad guy. And while you can romanticize Cowboys vs. Indians, the latter made shirts out of their enemies' scalps and were pretty damn scary. Scramble the dynamic just a little bit.

Edit: that actually would be pretty motivating...

Minmatar militia has outstanding numbers. Amarr militia has very poor numbers. If you had actually read what I wrote rather then try to be snarky you would see I'm suggesting the Eve story get expanded. Have the Minmatar nuke an inhabited planet. Dirty up the clear cut dynamics. Make it darker all the way around.

It's a suggestion posted in the features and ideas forum of all places. Moron.

Another great idiotic actual example of this system and why it doesn´t make sense to go into update without reset:
Minmatar militia is actiually flipping their own owned systems for amarr to farm them down (Oyeman, Roushzar) and flip them short before update.
In theory that means amarr militia would have to guard minmatar Ihubs for not getting shot.
How broken, crazy and idiotic is that?????????

each militia should have a state of militia wide effects on its own players. this state should be determined by the tier of the opposing faction, and should modify LP/VPs to encourage that factions militia as a whole to make the right specific types of tactical moves (like hitting i-hubs or d-plexing or whatever). if you nerf lps a bit in total, and modify the lp rewards based on the military needs of the faction awarding those lps, then militia pvpers and farmers will be making similar profit, both making moves that benefit their militia as a whole. this would keep the wars more balanced and heated. tier 5 could have economic incentives, but should be hard to maintain due to the hefty lp/ vp bonuses that the opposing faction will gain for their small vicories (look at any under-dog sports team ever, they win once, and theyre 'the best' at home). this would provide a slight uphill slant behind each empire, instead of a downhill one, and will keep them moshing mostly in the middle.
if you put this info on militia wide states in the menu that shows the tier of your militia, then players just logging in can see that state, read its details, and get a very clear idea of what that faction needs its militia to do. (and what it will be rewarding the most handsomely) But why stop at modified rewards based on what specific tactics are more effective? Even specific systems (like constellation jumps, or systems that link a ton of systems together,or systems linking to friendly hisec, perhaps) could have priority (and lp modifications). This way it would be much easier for pvpers to enjoy a more tactically oriented approach to both solo and fleet work, and would provide savvy enemies with counter-tactics that anticipate the tactical changes arising from a change in their enemies militia 'state'. Like if the minmatar knew the amarrians were going from a militia state that awarded extra LP for d-plexing to a militia state that awarded +50% lp for majors, +40% for the new cruiser plex, +30% for new t2/fac frig plex, and +20% for frig plexes, then the minmatar could intercept the influx of plexers, and get their LPs that way.
Also, a change in the amarr militia state would require a change in the minmatar militia state, but only the primary bonuses (or objectives) of these militia states would be universal and predictable. They could include 'secondary objectives (bonused)'. these secondarily bonused tactics might be dependant on how many systems the enemy conrtols at a certain upgrade level, or the proximity of their sovereign space to friendly hisec, or whether they control a pipe system, or the balance of ship kills in the last time interval. (you could even implement fw pvp missions related to these, like: go to auga, capture a medium plex, and kill a ship, you have 2 days)

I also firmly agree with Vyktor Abyss that if we want to encourage low sec population in relevance to faction warfare upgrades. We should do so in a more creative fashion. I do like the 20% fuel cost reductions and the slot bonus, but it allows industrialists to simply use the station for manufacturing and then sell the goods in low sec. Without actually being present outside of the station at all.

Instead we should improve what type of exploration sites are available, provide Cosmos agents (Agents that improve faction standing maybe?) as he had suggested or even providing an abundance of new ores to upgraded systems. This would encourage industrialists to be present outside of the station and actually put their boots down on the ground.

One thing I would like to note on, is FACTION STANDINGS - Once you get to full rank you no longer gain standing for participating in faction warfare. I would say that participation should allow us to invest loyalty points or have our activity rewarded with a constant boost to standings. This would allow individuals to realistically change factions or use faction warfare as a mechanic to improve their standings. (The rank bonus is still very generous, but it would be nice to see a consistent reward and bonus, not a one time bonus).

I think it would be a good idea and good for low sec as a whole if you allowed faction warfare people to control cynoing. People that have a lot of numbers but don't have the isk/skills to field capital ships will have a place to participate in large fleet fights without the fear of being hot-dropped by some board null sec corp.

However (and this is important) only people in faction warfare should be able to control cyno jamming in low sec. If people who are not in faction warfare want to be able to use a cyno in a certain system, they have three options - 1) Join FW, 2) negotiate with the controlling faction and 3) pay the enemy faction to disrupt the cyno jammer.

Also, with regards to the industry buff, no sales tax or broker fees would encourage me to trade in low sec.