EVE General Discussion

Bah I think this is a bad idea, even worse to launch such ideas when they have nothing really to show. I know the vision, I like it, but experience tells us otherwise.

I think we would all benefit more from getting actual station environments where people can meet at corp offices and manage pubs. That is what Incarna had to be, but failed like a rock swimming. Now instead of talking about that we talk about some new, random, unnecessary feature that no one will use. Last time I logged into my station with my character was 1 year ago. Forcing people to play FPS games to get EVE items will not help either.

Creating a FPS experience in EVE will take a long time and most likely end bad simply because CCP has proven they are bad at it. Huge lags, huge performance issues, plain waste of time for EVE gameplay. Incarna was the biggest fail ever, lets try not to repeat a cycle here.

A better question is to see what is more important for the game now, I get the vision, it's great, but I think CCP is not ready to make the FPS step in EVE. Maybe in 10 years, maybe, or maybe if you hire 100 people to work on the FPS parts besides the current team. But ISK wise CCP cannot afford such things so it will have to cut from somewhere. So better allocate those resources where they are needed, don't waste it on stuff no one will use, or worse give us useless features like the mirror to look at in Incarna.

Does WIS fit EVE? Maybe WIS is not what EVE is meant to be and its just forced unto the game because "some" think this is a good idea, for whatever reasons. That might explain the fail from last try. Or maybe CCP is just plain bad at WIS content/development. The EVE Universe should expand in all ways, but we all have our limits, CCP better know theirs.

I sure hope you use a big enough room for this at fanfest, there was a few things I missed out on earlier this year due to the room filling up to fast.

Nah lets face it ,CCP will forget about WIS ,until there is a new game made by the competition ,that will have it all

In all seriousness, I have always maintained that Avatar game play (if it ever included combat) needed to have a well designed hand to hand system. It would seem a no brainer for generating action in a security heavy High Sec station.

My thought exactly. Cross development, despite cry's otherwise, actually has a lot of benefits.

Well, if this is brought in it will involve pretty much solving all the issues with multiplayer environments in Incarna... but with actual game play!

It would be relatively simply to fill in some social setting fluff afterwards... they just don't want something nearly as meaningless as what we already have to be their next step.

This is a good concept and will eventually result us having also _meaningful_ walking in stations feature where people can actually do something fun and constructive which is linked to existing eve world. You don't have to be rocket scientist to realize that if EvE wants more fresh blood to the game this is something what has to be made.

You seem to be very aware also about the fact that community would not tolerate if all developers suddenly started working only with wis, eva or what ever you call the incarna 2.0. For this reason you should set firm goal to far enough future where you know you can pull this through as side project to everything else. This is not something you should be afraid of because of past events, but is something what needs to be transparent and have clear time table. If the time table is 3 years then it is 3 years. People will be happy as long they know what they are waiting for and when it is coming.

It is obvious that when this development kicks in the normal expansion cycle will be longer that it is now. People will accept this too as long they know what the timetable is and get some sneak previews from the actual progress between few months. The normal "other EvE development" obviously has to continue at some reasonable level so really - set the time table to something you really can work with. 4 years?.

And finally golden rules:

- No hidden agendas like aurum in Incarna -> people will lynch the expansion.
- If you people @ CCP have great plans to something what people have to wait long time and where you commit plenty of developing hours, people deserve to know what is coming. Too much information or long wait doesn't kill the expansion, but disappointment does. People have to know what they're waiting and get what they expect with the information they have. If they don't have information they set their own expectations which you can not meet.
- If you hide something behind closed doors and expect huge wow moment when curtain is removed - you're doing it wrong. This kind of approach doesn't work in Eve and usually end up to disappointment. Recent examples: Incarna, Aurum, Unified Inventory. People expect something what you can not know before you tell what you're making and listen what people are expecting from it.

...that pretty much ends my wall about the topic. I'm all in for Incarna retake but do it properly with the community and include the corps and alliances to the mess at latest when it is time to plan the stations, their meaning, role and functionality as platform to various things. The potential to please also the PvP community with both social and economical functions is there. IE. upgradeable corporation/alliance offices/headquarters where Aurum or ISK could be utilized to rent/buy purely cosmetic upgrades or services (like private clubs, briefing rooms, bigger offices, furniture's, station adverts, recruitment offices and so on).

Make a plan and follow it through.

I agree whole heartedly with your entire wall of text, except your "4 year" thing. That's far too long, I want it nao! Joking aside, it would be nice to see it in a years time. In two more expansions. After bounty hunting is done, the only other issue I have the with FiS is POSes, which really need fixing. If they do that in the next summer release there isn't really any other FiS features I want so see... Oh, except ring mining, and the rebalancing effort.


Linkz please.

Nah you're wrong and just acting like a ****. Please go play world of tanks. We don't need more bitter vets around here who can't adapt. Jerk.

I honestly am not sure If I even would bother to look for other guys in a sleeper space station the size of New York City.