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Team Avatar and the future of our prototype

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#221 - 2012-10-13 23:13:15 UTC
Sekket wrote:
I find myself asking why a pod pilot would leave the womb-like comfort and safety of the pod to go EVA when he could just send a drone which he can control remotely.


Because that wouldn't be as cool, and the ship drones are actually really big.

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#222 - 2012-10-14 00:55:34 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Sekket wrote:
I find myself asking why a pod pilot would leave the womb-like comfort and safety of the pod to go EVA when he could just send a drone which he can control remotely.


Because that wouldn't be as cool, and the ship drones are actually really big.


Well, to give credit to the science of EvE.
http://rewards.yourpshome.net/image/cache/data/Rewards/Dust%20514/dust-514-tk-70-personal-drone-103360757-320x176.png
Personal drone you get from d/l Dust for avatars. I think that's canon enough.

Yet due to malfunctioning systems on the station, plus any superstructure signal dampening. Any drones we might have would likely be very short range... to make it interesting. Or find drone equipment inside the station, repair the relays between it and the objective and it will come alive and go tear down the broken door in your way.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#223 - 2012-10-14 19:07:44 UTC
I am not going to lie, I really am not happy with this kind of deal. I just hope that all of the resources and time spent NOT doing the space part of this game turns out to be worth it.

Can't say any of that WIS, dresses for aurum crappola worked out well by any measure.

So this is the focus instead of mineable asteroids etc... of the things IN SPACE that were supposed to be added. Brilliant.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#224 - 2012-10-14 20:08:04 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:
I am not going to lie, I really am not happy with this kind of deal. I just hope that all of the resources and time spent NOT doing the space part of this game turns out to be worth it.

Can't say any of that WIS, dresses for aurum crappola worked out well by any measure.

So this is the focus instead of mineable asteroids etc... of the things IN SPACE that were supposed to be added. Brilliant.



So the next expansion has nothing to do with spaceships ,am i right ?Roll

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#225 - 2012-10-14 20:08:35 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Sekket wrote:
I find myself asking why a pod pilot would leave the womb-like comfort and safety of the pod to go EVA when he could just send a drone which he can control remotely.


Because that wouldn't be as cool, and the ship drones are actually really big.


A) The environment is too full of interference to allow adequate control of a drone, so you have to go. As to why go at all:

B) ISK

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#226 - 2012-10-14 20:11:39 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:
I am not going to lie, I really am not happy with this kind of deal. I just hope that all of the resources and time spent NOT doing the space part of this game turns out to be worth it.

Can't say any of that WIS, dresses for aurum crappola worked out well by any measure.

So this is the focus instead of mineable asteroids etc... of the things IN SPACE that were supposed to be added. Brilliant.


Out of the hundreds of CCP employees they had a team of 5 working on the prototype, among other things. I'm not sure where you are getting this impression from.

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Space Mutiny
#227 - 2012-10-14 20:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Darth Khasei wrote:

So this is the focus instead of mineable asteroids etc... of the things IN SPACE that were supposed to be added. Brilliant.

Do you see them bumping any current projects for it? Ring mining was already bumped for POS restructuring. Your Harvesting expansion have not been added due to other FiS projects.
WiS is not going anywhere. It will be expanded upon eventually someday somehow to make it useful and fun. Get out of the way, you have plenty of time to accept it. Its still years down the road (and that's not because of production time for the project itself, its because of everything else in front of it).
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#228 - 2012-10-14 20:13:02 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

So the next expansion has nothing to do with spaceships ,am i right ?Roll


NO you are not right. Roll
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#229 - 2012-10-14 20:15:13 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Out of the hundreds of CCP employees they had a team of 5 working on the prototype, among other things. I'm not sure where you are getting this impression from.


What impression? I am am saying "any" time even from 5 guys is time away from space and it is. No it is not half the team etc... I just thought they had gotten the message about the dresses and fashion show in stations. No worries things will take care of themselves.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#230 - 2012-10-14 20:18:09 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Do you see them bumping any current projects for it? Ring mining was already bumped for POS restructuring. Your Harvesting expansion have not been added due to other FiS projects.
WiS is not going anywhere. It will be expanded upon eventually someday somehow to make it useful and fun. Get out of the way, you have plenty of time to accept it. Its still years down the road (and that's not because of production time for the project itself, its because of everything else in front of it).


I am unaware if they bumped any projects or not.. I think your post hits upon my and other's reservations about WIS since it is not useful or fun ATM. If it is indeed years away that is good and that means the focus will be on space as it should be in the interim.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#231 - 2012-10-14 20:34:46 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Out of the hundreds of CCP employees they had a team of 5 working on the prototype, among other things. I'm not sure where you are getting this impression from.


What impression? I am am saying "any" time even from 5 guys is time away from space and it is. No it is not half the team etc... I just thought they had gotten the message about the dresses and fashion show in stations. No worries things will take care of themselves.

They did get the message, that's why they are using very modest resources to develop sound game play... as opposed to the dresses and fashion shows you mentioned.

Very, very few people wanted Avatar based game play to be completely off the radar. We all want to see EVE grow in a variety of directions. If you feel it should be completely abandoned (especially now that the underlying tech is in place) you won't find much support.

We just didn't want a disproportionate and unreasonable amount of resources devoted to it, particularly without a solid plan in place for the depth that type of game play that would be required to be a worthwhile addition to the EVE universe.

Which brings us to a 5 man team working first on defining the overall scope of solid and entertaining game play (with plenty of community feed back), and then working on a prototype that required a bare minimum of developer time and resources devoted to it to test whether their plan held water.

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Space Mutiny
#232 - 2012-10-14 20:34:53 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:

I am unaware if they bumped any projects or not.. I think your post hits upon my and other's reservations about WIS since it is not useful or fun ATM. If it is indeed years away that is good and that means the focus will be on space as it should be in the interim.

They explain its not a current goal right in the second post.
CCP Unifex wrote:

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.

2013 is POS restructuring and ring mining maybe next winter. So we are already seeing 2014 dev time to a 2015 possible release in the shortest of time frames for some WiS. But still unlikely as there are many other projects like DX11 overhaul to make ring mining really incredible to see which was a really popular reaction to those that saw it last fan fest. Same with ship model destruction.
Next april people will actually see the prototype at fanfest. Thats when all hell can break loose on whether or not it is truly worth it.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#233 - 2012-10-14 21:40:17 UTC
Hey Khasei, relax man, you guys with the pitchforks and torches already scared the hell out of CCP and got your way. They stated there would be no new major technological expansions (what CCP called "Jesus features") and they've demonstrated that avatar game play is on the shelf indefinitely. It's all about spaceships for the foreseeable future, so relax and enjoy it. You got what you wanted.

Just don't complain as Eve and CCP's revenues stagnate because of them listening to guys like you and not develop anything new and innovative. Fixing bugs and iterating on old content keeps subscribers but, it's new features that get you NEW subscribers. Like it or not, CCP needs to bring in new blood as well as keep current customers happy in order to grow.

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Taiwanistan
#234 - 2012-10-15 05:33:13 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Hey Khasei, relax man, you guys with the pitchforks and torches already scared the hell out of CCP and got your way. They stated there would be no new major technological expansions (what CCP called "Jesus features") and they've demonstrated that avatar game play is on the shelf indefinitely. It's all about spaceships for the foreseeable future, so relax and enjoy it. You got what you wanted.

Just don't complain as Eve and CCP's revenues stagnate because of them listening to guys like you and not develop anything new and innovative. Fixing bugs and iterating on old content keeps subscribers but, it's new features that get you NEW subscribers. Like it or not, CCP needs to bring in new blood as well as keep current customers happy in order to grow.

We have won, for now. But we must remain vigilant until the voices of the deviant barbie emote loving freaks are silenced.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#235 - 2012-10-15 09:28:01 UTC
So................ We can't have both WiS and FiS?

I Like both xD

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#236 - 2012-10-15 09:47:12 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
So................ We can't have both WiS and FiS?

I Like both xD



agreed! I just wish I had the final answer of why WIS was shelved and for how long?

Seriously, I was quitting eve until I found out about incarna.. resubbed just for it. Was sorely dissapointed.. ate some oreos and got over it. But to have some hope that it will be resurrected would be nice. Roll


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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#237 - 2012-10-15 09:50:22 UTC
I know, what wrong with Exploding a Spaceship and looking damn good at the sametime?!

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Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#238 - 2012-10-15 10:15:56 UTC
I really want this feature. I also want to be able to socialize and play poker in pubs and such. The only thing that makes me a bit worried is that they pretty much refuse to scrap aurum as personally I think players themselves should handle production of clothes.

I would not mind if CCP focused more on WIS and less on FIS.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#239 - 2012-10-15 10:31:20 UTC
I disagree, FiS is more important.

WiS is a nice little treat ^_^

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Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#240 - 2012-10-15 10:40:44 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
I disagree, FiS is more important.

WiS is a nice little treat ^_^


To be honest I think FIS and WIS are both equally important. I agree with the devs vision that EVE should be a sci-fi MMO and not just Spaceship Online. There's so much untapped potential in WIS that will improve the gameplay and attract new subscribers.

I understand if people are scared of WIS though as Incarna was horrible as it did not improve gameplay at all.