EVE General Discussion

Nope!

If I want to play a avatar based MMO, there is WoW (and I can play as a panda!) and if I want the more sci-fi direction, I have SWTOR and STO to choose from.

The only reason Team Avatar should even exist is to convince the rest of CCP that Dust 514 on a console being phased out is a ******* dumb idea.

Concept ends when you have a roadmap from start to finish of development, when you have discussed and brainstormed every possible outcome to every possible situation, when you have artistic representational drawings of the environment, characters effects, lighting, and miscellaneous models, You should have enough concept material that when you give it to another person not involved in the concept they can tell you exactly what is going to become of it, after many hours of boring boardroom meetings, the concept is a foundation, and with an unfinished foundation even if you do manage to build it, it will fall down around you.



This is obviously a lesson you learnt from Incarna, but isn't this the point of concept? Surely you know what the end goal is, how can you not, you can't just make things and hope they turn into something fun.

Playing what you have is mostly irrelevant because you do it in isolated environments that can be predicted, the experience will NOT be the same when released to the general EVE population, whats fun in the office is not neccesarily fun for the people who haven't worked on it.

In my opinion if you cannot gaurantee it's going to be fun or worthwhile for the players, then your not ready to start development.

Regardless I don't know how much work you have done on this, concept or otherwise, there is no way for me to know (unless I secretely work for CCP) but if you do have a strong foundation, concept art and clear roadmaps, maybe you should release some of that instead of just creating a forum post trying to hype things up. talk is cheap as they say, typing cheaper.

Is it even realistic to assume that CCP can expect to recover the development costs from this generation and the next? Unless Dust 514 is a smashing success and I have my doubts about that, I don't think CCP will put 514 on the PS4 or whatever unless Sony goes in and fully funds it at that point.



Thanks. I do my best to be modest about it too.

I always go Darkside in Swtor as well :P

No, the feedback here from what we've said and shown here has been excellent and helpful. I'm pretty sure there is a large group of people who could provide excellent feedback but fanfest is an opportunity for us to show things and get feedback face to face. If and when development actually goes forward I'd be pushing for lots of community involvement as early as possible. I don't see any other way of really developing a game feature in as complex a system as EVE Online where emergent behaviour and interesting social interactions are such a big part of the game.

We certainly are still prototyping, but now we're not dealing with organic material.

I am not gonna try to change the mind of CCP and you ,but this does not convince me.
Like i said , i am willing to have the patience

But first starting a discussion on this forum and then move it on to fanfest doesn,t add up ,for me personally
The only reason i see , a marketing trick for fanfest
But ok ,its your and CCP,s call

But what about the CQ ,can we expect at least some changes there ?
Like i said before those screens could use some usability
And who knows even maybe something more then 1 room?

Well this looks remotely interesting. As in, Im all for extravehicular activities involving my avatar, but I'm skeptic as to when I'll get to see it. Looking forward to some extravehicular activity in 2021.

Yes, it will be years.

Probably at least 2 years before we see this.

2013 will be all about POS' and Ring mining, hopefully. Then you're going to have a null sec Sovereignty Fix, and then there is openings for Avatar Gameplay.

Meanwhile, Dust is getting along somewhere in between all of this.

I have to say I love the idea of being able to do EVAs. Be it in stations/ships (old/broken or operational), in space or even entering hostile structures.

If you do end up going the route proposed here, especially the resource gathering for implants (or whatever their use ends up being) please oh PLEASE make sure it isn't just repetitive. Missions are, as an example, quite repetitive. Include some sort of generated content, so it's not just a matter of learning the 3 or 4 existing layouts of a site to gather resource X, and after having done those it's just grinding. Surely creating content like this will be much more work intensive than creating any 'normal' mission, so it stands to assume there will unlikely be as many as there are missions (which already is too few).

Build modules that have many optional connections, generate levels (or whatever you want to call it) dynamically. Floating around in space surely gives much more options in that regard than a closed off station or ship, where walls and corridors are needed. I imagine something where you are in your space suit, floating through wreckage field. You might have to float to the remnants of the engine room to restore enough power to make one of the miraculously intact tools operational. Using that could allow you to pry open a container containing something of value or similar. The positions and models of all that can quite easily be generated, having a few options each. This would allow for great diversity in objectives, layouts and rewards with relative ease as only components need to be made, not complete arrangements/settings.