Jita Park Speakers Corner

The problem is that a lot of the current representatives do spend a fair bit of time in hisec, doing things which hisec people do (inventing, manufacturing, hauling, etc), so why aren't they sufficient?

Not sure oh your politics but pretend someone voted in a republican and your a Democrat would you like that if some of there policies were similar?

Most people don't function at the highest level, but I believe they endeavor to and in video games, its not the end result that is important but the journey towards it. Watching my crew grow, expand, become stronger, break new territory in game play, that's what its all about and its what the design of the game caters to. The biggest whiners on this forum are people who have selected "their niche" and stopped growing (miners and pirates are good examples) , constant boring talk about asteroid yields, problems with prices or the lack of stupid targets to walk into their gate camps... these people have completely missed the concept of what this game is about and its why the design to them "needs change".

Its kind of like eating pepperoni pizza every single day of your life and going to the cook and saying "hey you need to improve this pepperoni pizza" rather than just ordering a ******* burger and experience something new. There is nothing wrong with the bloody Pizza! You just eat the same **** everyday of course your going to find something wrong with it eventually!

Point is, it is a PvP game, good Eve players are out there scraping their way to higher levels of play every day, taking full advantage of the sandbox and its many flavors and the ultimate result (by design) is the competition, risks and rewards for doing so. That is what makes the game amazing and that is what the developers should focus on.

This thread is still as ridiculous as it is long.

Let's just put into perspective what the OP and other people are saying:

"Hi sec people don't vote because they aren't educated enough, there should be hi sec representation on the CSM"

I'll bite, but let's just have a look at something.

• Firstly, there's a massive pop up on the screen as you log into the game telling you to vote, my memory is hazy but I'm sure it's not even one of those "one time only" pop ups (and if it is it shouldn't be).
• Secondly you don't even have to get off your fat behind to vote, you click a link, then click a name.
• Thirdly all the candidates are posting in a forum where they (hopefully) would respond to comments etc meaning you can actually speak to these people.
• Fourth, you can actually kill these people (in game) and feel good about killing politicians WITHOUT going to jail (no offence to CSM members calling you politicians, thats pretty low).
• Fifth, the election last over several days and there are no time limitations on when you can vote during those days.
• Lastly the CSM currently engage with players and effect more change in the game than any real life government or elected body ever does.

If we were talking about a real life election, where the candidates are largely unresponsive to individual questions/comments, they don't really engage with the average voter, they don't really effect change individually, you aren't able to kill them (lol), the voting is at strict times only lasting a single day and you have to leave your house to vote then yes, I'd agree a lack of voter turnout is a lack of education.

I personally support all forms of political education starting at a young age not the indoctrinating kind, the kind that teaches kids the importance of voting, and why it's important we vote because others in the world can't. However this isn't the reason people don't vote here, it literally comes down to apathy.

The best way to get High Sec people to vote is to get a candidate that actually motivates them to vote. Barack Obama, regardless of your opinion of his policies,managed to get a lot of minorities with usually abysmal turnout to vote for him because he was "one of them" and had a message they wanted to hear.

Unlike the US Presidential elections you don't need to spend millions of isk to be a candidate. Fact is That High Sec players as a rule of thumb don't care and don't get involved. This isn't because the CSM is bias towards nullsec players in anyway, because it's not, it's because people don't care.

Finally the solution that a lot of the high Sec-ers are skirting around but not actually suggesting is a set "High Sec" seat at the CSM. This idea is patently ridiculous. What then? A set "female" seat? A set "US, EU, RUS, AU" seat? A set "Roleplayer" seat? Once you start making exceptions like that it's a very very slippery slope. That's not to say you shouldn't use it if the time calls for it, Northern Ireland for example has a similar system but that's because it's 60/40 Protestant to Catholic and because of the way the system worked the Catholics got nowhere near 40% of the seats in Parliament and even if they did it didn't change much. If High sec Players consisted of 60% of the votes they'd get 60% of the seats. Simple.

I haven't made this point yet but seriously, this isn't an education issue and I think that "people need to be educated" is just complete BS. 80% of the population simply doesn't give a **** who the CSM is, what they think or how that will affect the game. They play, as long as they like the game, when they stop liking it they move on. It isn't about education its simply about not giving a **** and why would you want a person who doesn't care to be represented, represented on the CSM? I mean who would a cannidate be for people who don't give a crap who the cannidate is or what his opinions about the game are?

The CSM is represented by the most passionate players in the game who care about its future, the people who are not represented are the ones who don't care about being represented.

Whats so hard to understand about that?

They have been strenuously educated, and they have strenuously decided to give no fucks.


Nope, it screams that 80% of the populous gives no fucks, despite being educated in why they should vote.

This has always been my opinion. If they ignore the login banners and news bits that appear months before the actual voting then they simply don't care enough to have a valid opinion.

If the 80% do care about the game as this slump you mention then they are obviously aware of how to fix it.

Eh no...

The people who cared where bitching out CCP on the forums, on their blogs, they participated in the in game riots and effectively spoke out about it, but they kept their accounts and they continued to play. People who quit, do not give a **** about this game, they simply moved on.

By not voting? oh wait...