Jita Park Speakers Corner

I still haven't gotten an answer to the question: Who would be a "hisec representative", then? What issues, other than "PVE is boring :( :( :(" should they push for you to accept them?

So all in all you are saying the apathetic should not vote. Also that we should not bother to educate them further, so that we should be apathetic. Interesting logic.

The CSM should be a representation of all the people who play this game not just the huge 3% or lower minorities. There is no excuse for us to be apathetic in trying to educate the rest of the populous.

I think the best high sec representative players could want would be one who strives for CCP to help lower the entry level and intimidation factor of PvP. I am not talking about new players only. What about those who have been living in high sec for years and years and want to make a big splash on the PvP scene.

What are some of the IN GAME (forums and other out of game stuff does not help much because a very high amount of players never go to out of game things for EVE) mechanics and other stuff that lead players to PvP?? Most high sec players that would be inclined to PvP if they knew how mostly do missions. There really should be a ton of new missions added that have PvP fits, goals and tactics involved to complete.

There is a massive difference between PvP and PvE across the board and there should be missions to help bridge the gap. Make scaling missions that slowly shift from PvE environment to full blown mock PvP situations. Also don't have it just be level 4 mission but they should start at level 1.

Yes I know there is corps and alliances out there that would help, but what I am talking about is baby steps and going from lone hombre running missions all day to a player corp with expectations to a degree and PvP is a big step. There is nothing wrong with bridging that gap at all.

So instead of decrying high sec is evil and everything wrong with this game, lets talk about what can be done to open an avenue that is well structured for players to make the transition from PvE carebear to PvP monster.

I'm not sure how you got that from what I said, but NO pretty much the exact opposite of everything you said. I do think they should vote, i think everyone should vote. As for education, the information is out there and readily available. Most of the CSM's that run have their own blogs and liberally share their opinions on the forums not to mention media coverage by the various Eve news publications, Eve Radio., hell they even do meeting minutes!. its all over the bloody place. There is no mystery here. People have to take the initiative on their own however, you can't expect that CCP or anyone else for that matter go out of their way to force everyone to listen to the the issues and force them to vote if they have no interest in it. And if they have no interest in it, why would you expect them to be represented on the CSM? And even if you did, how are we supposed to know what would accurately represent them if they don't vote and share their opinion?

What your basically saying is that "everyone should be represented", but its up to everyone EXCEPT the people who you require to be represented to figure out what would actually represent them? I mean I have no idea what the opinion of these people are because they don't vote or participate in the system.



Again your acting like its some sort of conspiracy. Even if that 3% was accurate (which I don't believe it is, but its irrelevant anyway) the fact remains that YES I do believe that people who vote should be represented and YES I do believe its up to each individual to take the time to educate themselves. The material is available, anyone with any interest in the issue will have no trouble finding thousands of pages of opinions on any given topic and CSM's point of view. If only 3% vote, than only 3% should be represented.

It was not aimed at me but I can think of a few
1) PVE is boring
2) protecting the status que, to request a balancing and reduction of nerfing
3) Help to ease the passage to moving to Lo-sec and Null.
4) making sure this game is still interesting to casual players.
5) A war dec system that is not more insane than a complete ward of a mental institution
6) More Lore and RP stories requests

That is just off the top of my head. Yes Null and low have more to ***** about but it doesn't make CCPs cash cow any less import.

hell of course not, **** I would say I agree with only maybe 50% of the CSM's opinions, directions and Ideas. There are CSM's on the panel that I did not vote for.

But that's democracy for you, just because you have the right to be represented, doesn't mean your opinion and vote will necessarily result in you being represented. But there is no way to make things anymore fair than to let people vote and let the majority opinion be represented.

We can however still discuss the issues, make our opinions known and fight for what we want.

Just force eveyone to vote once a year before they can login. Then nobody can claim to be unrepresented.

No the minority voted, not the majority. Also the CSM is the player representative body, sorry correct me if I am wrong but I don't remember reading anywhere it saying the CSM should only be for some players.

Exactly...This is the whole point and not even so much vote but get a blurb about the CSM and the choice whether to vote or not too. It really is quite simple.

I'm sure CCP knows. I'm also sure the people who would unsubscribe over "boring PVE" aren't right for EVE anyways, since they're obviously not playing EVE as a sandbox game.


What if balancing means nerfs are needed?


What if this means a need to nerf hisec in certain areas?