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NULL whiners mantra is getting tedious... and CSM lacks HI SEC representation

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#81 - 2012-09-01 01:44:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Yep not one of those sections dealt specifically with HI SEC issues
…except for the wardec section, since wardecs are inherently a highsec issue — after all, they're spectacularly irrelevant outside it.



And yet in that wardeck section most of what was brought up by the CSM reps was concerning the dogpiling on the Goons thru the new Wardeck system's ally's which got 'fixed' quickly with an outrageously expensive logrythmic fee table for more then 5 allies
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#82 - 2012-09-01 01:46:20 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
There a few that would make Ted Kazenski proud that have gone multiple pages I honestly haven't finished one but then again I had trouble getting past the first page of the UNABOMBER's neo luddite manifesto either... I guess I could exclude the one on the mattani.com since it wasn't long winded enough ( you are slipping bro Blink ) even though it had a few nice portions of tin foil hattery

Just so I'm understanding you, are you saying the length of a post makes it resemble something written by the Unabomber? Wouldn't "War and Peace" be a kinder comparison? Smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2012-09-01 01:47:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
And yet in that wardeck section most of what was brought up by the CSM reps was concerning the dogpiling on the Goons thru the new Wardeck system's ally's which got 'fixed' quickly with an outrageously expensive logrythmic fee table for more then 5 allies
…which doesn't make it any less of a highsec issue. It also belies this whole notion that highsec-only reps are required to get highsec issues on the agenda.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-09-01 01:51:23 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
I could agree with thinking that location and representation must absolutely match 1:1 is is not necessary true so I look at the actions of CSM7 & all I have to do is look at the CSM7 minutes table of contents and notice there is a section entitled NULL SEC and no sections titled HI SEC, LO SEC nor Worm Hole space.

There's one section called nullsec. It's 5 pages long. There's one section that deals with what is pretty much a highsec-specific topic — wardecs — that is 8 pages long. Nullsec gets its own (rather brief) section because it hosts a number of unique mechanics all crammed into one, and highsec gets a (longer) section that deals with its one mechanic.

Oh, and lowsec got its own run-through as well with the FW session.


-Yes FW is pretty much only lo sec I recall there was some discussion concerning cynoing in from NULL interefereing and a discussion about cyno jammers ( which were just announced will comeout in the winter expansion today )
-There is a section that was called WARDEC's & Crimewatch, which funny enough mostly dealt with the dogpiling alley 'exploight' that was being used against a Null SEC alliance.
-Don't recall much in the NULL section about how it interacts with the other spaces though .

I do recall WH space was brought up then joking said that nothing has to be worked on there & its all fine ( hmm if its allfine maybe it does need a shakeup then Lol )


can you go back to en24 your posts are bad even for eve-o

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#85 - 2012-09-01 02:18:14 UTC
James 315 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
There a few that would make Ted Kazenski proud that have gone multiple pages I honestly haven't finished one but then again I had trouble getting past the first page of the UNABOMBER's neo luddite manifesto either... I guess I could exclude the one on the mattani.com since it wasn't long winded enough ( you are slipping bro Blink ) even though it had a few nice portions of tin foil hattery

Just so I'm understanding you, are you saying the length of a post makes it resemble something written by the Unabomber? Wouldn't "War and Peace" be a kinder comparison? Smile



TBH Milton's droll Paradise Lost is closer... http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-n_RQbm2YJhYbu/animal_house_1978_teaching_about_milton_in_class/ 
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#86 - 2012-09-01 02:46:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
It is easy enough for me to start crying & whinning though I what I should really suggest is solutions to my percieved lack of represtentation! In the CSM7 minutes it was thrown out there by CCP a suggestion to change the elections & CSM ( and while it was thrown out there like a fat fly ball it sounded like everyone in the outfield ran away from it almost screaming you catch it NOT IT! Lol )
Unfortunely game mechanics wise HI SEC is not setup to really for large alliances like null is... during elections if a newbie HI SEC resident tried to figure out who'd best represen him he's most likey vote for Darius III because he hands out free PLEXes to all who vote for him Blink
Honesly right now if you live in HI sec your best option in an election would be if CCP changed the process so you are allowed a -1 vote to use. Barring that I wish smarter people here could suggest a way to give a broader representation in the future CSM .
Any takers?
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#87 - 2012-09-01 02:49:10 UTC
Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM:

For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for. Idea

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#88 - 2012-09-01 02:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
James 315 wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM:

For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for. Idea


I think you are on the right track ( someone please shoot me I agreed with James315 Lol )
There are so few there in HI SEC though that are famous enough to garner respect for thier cause.
I guess what's neded is a political party of some sort but more likely then not it'd be crooked'er then Tammeny Hall and after the election we'd find thier nominee was an alt of Darius III Pirate (guess that's not really possible since CCP demands the candidates real names much to the chirgrin of Mintchiplol. Therefore I nominate Cribba for the next CSM Idea
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James 315
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#89 - 2012-09-01 02:57:56 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM:

For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for. Idea


I think you are on the right track ( someone please shoot me I agreed with James315 Lol )
There are so few there in HI SEC though that are famous enough to garner respect for thier cause.

I'm famous, and I live in highsec. Are you suggesting I run for CSM? Smile

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#90 - 2012-09-01 03:04:53 UTC
James 315 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM:

For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for. Idea


I think you are on the right track ( someone please shoot me I agreed with James315 Lol )
There are so few there in HI SEC though that are famous enough to garner respect for thier cause.

I'm famous, and I live in highsec. Are you suggesting I run for CSM? Smile

Do it. My hisec alt will vote for you.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-09-01 03:18:41 UTC
but why do you feel that you should make nullsec levels of income in what is nominally a starting area???

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Frying Doom
#92 - 2012-09-01 03:32:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
but why do you feel that you should make nullsec levels of income in what is nominally a starting area???

Null sec level income is a fallacy anyway, the income is the wrong way around, a corp or alliance should be supported by its members not the other way around.

There is to much income on the corp level for instance with moon mining and not enough player income.

With luck they will fix this soonish.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#93 - 2012-09-01 03:39:34 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Andski wrote:
but why do you feel that you should make nullsec levels of income in what is nominally a starting area???

Null sec level income is a fallacy anyway, the income is the wrong way around, a corp or alliance should be supported by its members not the other way around.

There is to much income on the corp level for instance with moon mining and not enough player income.

With luck they will fix this soonish.

I do believe that when referring to null sec income, they mean what players do themselves, not corp ops.


I may be wrong... and I'm sure they will correct me if I am (might be wrong about that tooBig smile).
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#94 - 2012-09-01 03:58:36 UTC
Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-09-01 04:04:07 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian


both CSM 6 and CSM 7 had empire delegates so I don't know what you're going at vOv

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#96 - 2012-09-01 04:07:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian


both CSM 6 and CSM 7 had empire delegates so I don't know what you're going at vOv

Let's not talk about that, it's too troublesome for them.

What about nerfing highsec pvp more?

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Frying Doom
#97 - 2012-09-01 04:15:03 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian

So don't you think educating the populous would be a good idea then?

Or for that matter if you updated your signature to relate to the current CSM.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ghazu
#98 - 2012-09-01 04:19:58 UTC
Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#99 - 2012-09-01 04:22:06 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been.

I certainly hope that educating the populous will result in more quality CSM candidates like her.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#100 - 2012-09-01 04:25:00 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been.

I certainly hope that educating the populous will result in more quality CSM candidates like her.

We're going to a wonderful place, aren't we.

Pass the X-instinct please.

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