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DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#1 - 2012-08-31 17:15:34 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

The meme that CCP has a perennial “drive people out of high-sec” dilema is just a pile of bull feces. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.

The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.

Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking
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Jim Era Likes received: 10,663	#2 - 2012-08-31 17:16:37 UTC 14 that face Wat™

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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#3 - 2012-08-31 17:23:50 UTC 33 Jim Era wrote: that face OP seems to have hit a level of bitter so high that his face has collapsed into itself...

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Anslo Scope Works Likes received: 32,337	#4 - 2012-08-31 17:24:59 UTC 12 I do agree with his signature though... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#5 - 2012-08-31 17:30:15 UTC 16 Anslo wrote: I do agree with his signature though... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

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Jaques Cousteau Gemulus Doomheim Likes received: 317	#6 - 2012-08-31 17:31:37 UTC 1 Anslo wrote: I do agree with his signature though... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Cant argue with that.....

Jaques Cousteau Gemulus

Doomheim

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#7 - 2012-08-31 17:32:16 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Anslo wrote:

I do agree with his signature though...

EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...

Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

Since votes get flushed through the toilet by those same null-sec bears

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Din Chao Likes received: 467	#8 - 2012-08-31 17:32:30 UTC 5 Anslo wrote: I do agree with his signature though... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Democracy, working as intended.

Anslo

Scope Works

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#9 - 2012-08-31 17:38:30 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Anslo wrote:

Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

Because the game isn't all nul sec. An outreach campaign to everyone else in high sec might be worthwhile just to make the CSM a little more balanced. Otherwise, the very function the CSM is supposed to focus on is never executed, as the playerbase is not represented, just the nul-bears.

As far as I'm concerned, this CSM does not represent Eve, it represents selfish interest groups.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

War Kitten

Panda McLegion

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#10 - 2012-08-31 17:39:28 UTC

Anslo wrote:

CSM 6 was so 2011.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#11 - 2012-08-31 17:40:19 UTC 8 Anslo wrote: I do agree with his signature though... Too bad it's not entirely correct.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#12 - 2012-08-31 17:43:29 UTC

Anslo wrote:

This may have escaped you but goons are not just a null sec group. All of EVE is our playground and a healthy high sec is in our interests too.

Jenn aSide

Soul Machines

The Initiative.

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#13 - 2012-08-31 17:46:35 UTC

Anslo wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Anslo wrote:

Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

rofl , you, Mr. "if it doesn't affect me it ain't bad", talking about selfish interests.

The CSM is null sec heavy because null sec residents care enough about the game to vote, they don't need "outreach" lol. The idea that ccp has to do something special to get high sec residents to vote is a good indication of the quality of high sec residents.

And a signfigant portion of high sec votes for those null sec csm members, because a signifigant portion of those high sec residents are merely working alts of null sec players to begin with. In military terms, null sec is the point of the spear, high sec is just the support shaft (so don't get mad when you get "shafted").

Destruction of ships in null (and low and WHs, and to a much lesser extent, smaller ships going pop in high sec) is what drives the EVE economy.

Why people playing solo (in an mmo), casual (in a hard core centric game) in high sec (the protected space with the lowest rewards that the DEVS keep trying to drive people out of) who don't even care to vote think they should have representation in the CSM ...Well, i'll never understand it.


Anslo Scope Works Likes received: 32,337	#14 - 2012-08-31 17:47:05 UTC 1 baltec1 wrote: This may have escaped you but goons are not just a null sec group. All of EVE is our playground and a healthy high sec is in our interests too. Be that as it may, a perspective and voice of a high sec player isn't and shouldn't be discounted. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Jenn aSide

Soul Machines

The Initiative.

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#15 - 2012-08-31 17:50:36 UTC

Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Anslo wrote:

Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

Since votes get flushed through the toilet by those same null-sec bears

Wait a minute, so it's some how some grand conspiracy by "null sec" (20% of the characters in EVE) against high sec that makes the csm null sec heavy?

It' couldn't possibly be that high sec residents (real ones, not the null sec alts lol) just don't give much of a damn or play enough to care in the 1st place. No, it must be null sec.

MIrple

Black Sheep Down

Tactical Narcotics Team

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#16 - 2012-08-31 17:50:46 UTC

Anslo wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Anslo wrote:

Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107393&p=15

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107405&p=12

FW would like to have a word with you about there lack or representation.

Selinate

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#17 - 2012-08-31 17:50:54 UTC

Anslo wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Anslo wrote:

Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?

I don't get it, I thought selfish interest groups was the epitome of Eve itself....

Anslo

Scope Works

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#18 - 2012-08-31 17:51:08 UTC

Jenn aSide wrote:

The CSM is null sec heavy because null sec residents care enough about the game to vote, they don't need "outreach" lol. The idea that ccp has to do something special to get high sec residents to vote is a good indication of the quality of high sec residents.

And a signfigant portion of high sec votes for those null sec csm members, because a signifigant portion of those high sec residents are merely working alts of null sec players to begin with. In military terms, null sec is the point of the spear, high sec is just the support shaft (so don't get mad when you get "shafted").

So it isn't representative, I know. My point is that the CSM is supposed to be the voice of the player base, a representative one, but it isn't.

Jenn aSide wrote:

Why people playing solo (in an mmo), casual (in a hard core centric game) in high sec (the protected space with the lowest rewards that the DEVS keep trying to drive people out of) who don't even care to vote think they should have representation in the CSM ...Well, i'll never understand it.

What is it with this attitude? So what if they want to solo? So what if they're casual? And so what if they wanna be in high sec? When it comes down to it, money is money. They're subscription is no better or worse than yours. As such, they DO deserve representation.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#19 - 2012-08-31 17:51:17 UTC 5 Anslo wrote: Be that as it may, a perspective and voice of a high sec player isn't and shouldn't be discounted. So they should vote then.

Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

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#20 - 2012-08-31 17:51:57 UTC | Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein

DarthNefarius wrote:

The meme that CCP has a perennial “drive people out of high-sec” dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.

The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.

I'd leave hisec, if you stopped posting. Nullsec provides a lot of the player driven storyline that Eve is famous for, James315 seems to be trying to do the same for hisec while having a bit of fun setting himself up as a Dr Ebil style despot.

I used to be proud to be a carebear, with the ever increasing whines about anything not carebear related I'm rapidly becoming disillusioned with the carebear lifestyle, oh well time to start posting on FHC again so I can be counted along with the bittervets, at least their moans are entertaining.

The CSM like politics is theoretically meant to be representative of the people, in reality it's not, the same holds true in the real world, the rich, powerful & charismatic get to be politicians, the rest of us get urinated on in the pursuit of power.

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