EVE General Discussion

you might be waiting a long time. Nobody would do what you say if you get flagged to everyone. I'm not surprised at all at the brainless comments made by miner gankers. They pick on the defenseless because they themselves are stupid and awful at any pvp that takes actual skill.

I cant thank CCP enough for finally making this game attractive to real pvpers, instead of being the mindless joke it has been.

its just unfortunate that most can flippers are cowards and probably wont be flipping many cans after this change. Still, I look foward to extracting many tears from the losers of EVE who are dumb enough to flip a can when I'm in system.

Plain and simple Concord is declaring that can flipping is a now more punishable offence. Sucks but it makes sense in game concord controls the rules =P

I get the feeling that CCP is trying to make high sec PVP more available for everybody with this proposed change.

Presently, you can make the choice to flip cans, and get that sort of PVP that might be 1v1 or 1v corp. But all of the choice is wtih the can flipper at the moment.

They actually have to find a jet can, that someone already made the choice to jettison, to try for that PVP, and the owner of the can can decide on what to do about it based on any available combat assets.

But these days, a lot of people don't have time to go flipping cans all day to get that "one noob who takes the bait" or even better, some turn of events that leads to a fleet battle. While some mining corps can be vast, coordination is not as common nor as easy as some people think. These take a lot of time.

The implication of crimewatch is that you become a part of the equation without having to flip a can, nor be the owner of the can.

This adds a third party to the mix. Whereas we have a can flipper, someone who seeks PVP (or whatever), and the flipee, we now have a vigilante. The participation rate of this form of PVP has now increased 50 percent. You need not be an agressor nor a miner, but you can be a vigilante instead.

And this alone becomes another opportunity for PVP. Not looking for cans to flip, not waiting for someone to flip your can, but instead bouncing around looking for someone who is "flagged" because of this.

Last I recall, there was some cost to being a vigilante, being flagged yourself. I remember that was originally mentioned, but not aware of the latest notes. if this is the case, then there is a lot of potential.

Ultimately, the goal might be such that you undock and get PVP much sooner. It would be nice to do so, without roaming, scouting, having to join a 0.0 corp, or gate camp/cat and mouse in low.

Would this potentially turn high sec into some kind of PVP arena? I don't know, but I would hope so because I think a good time will be had by all.

As has been said all CCP is doing now is catering hand over firs tto the pve crowd. They want people to start talking about eve being "nice" an friendly an no risk... As the guy from Razor stated "complacency, stupidity will be even more widespread now. No matter how many times you tell them how to avoid trouble, it all comes down to them not wanting to take any responsibility. They have harrased CCP into playing for them.

Without over dramatizing things to much, it's a sad day for EVE to see it going down this path....

"its just unfortunate that most can flippers are cowards and probably wont be flipping many cans after this change. Still, I look foward to extracting many tears from the losers of EVE who are dumb enough to flip a can when I'm in system."

LOL there is no such thing as cowards in a computer game. I get you want to sound like your hard etc etc, but it comes off as...well, anyway.
Fact is, CCP seem to have declared that our playstyle is now no longer valid.
Mission runners will be next to get protection.

Can flipping (not something I bother with)
ganking (my main gameplay style)

Seem to be on the outs.

Why are you using a posting alt?

Because im a miner of course...

The problem with that is that fleets are fluid. People can join, leave, DC and come back etc etc and that would create a nightmare for the flagging system and it would be SUCH a mess it just won't work. There really is no problem in keeping it corp only, if people choose to not be in the same corp then they choose to have less options, it really is that simple. I would agree to an alliance wide flagging, simply because "it makes sense".

its purely about adding risk to can flipping, no longer can you have your private grief war against noobs with essentially zero risk. Cry more and l2p.

I love how the assumption in this thread is that if I engage another combat ship because of a can flip then it is not pvp...?

This thread inspired me so I went and flipped a couple cans last night. The result was a Drake dropping in on my Hawk. I couldn't win the fight after engaging but did manage to make an escape to a safe spot. After a couple minutes to allow shield regen I headed back into the belts where a fairly decent size corp presence (and at least one Drake) had kill rights on me. Encountered the Drake pilot again bit this time he was in a Dramiel.

The Dramiel and I had a great one on one fight and I wasn't sure of the outcome until he melted. Before the fight ended a Caldari Navy Hookbill landed on grid. It targeted me, so while the Dram was burning i targeted it, sure enough it goes blinky red and I am thinking I am screwed because i only have 15% shield left. Whatever though, was way too fun a fight to bail out on and you never know if you're up against a fail fit or not.

The Hookbill and I exchange probably three volleys and then Concord showed up to save my ass. Hookbill pilot wasn't part of the corp I offended.

Had a great night of 'PVP' and all the result of flipping a can. In my experience half the time someone takes the bait it is in a capable combat vessel. When you consider this is one of the few ways to get one on one, or small fleet vs. one combat, I would say they are ruining a very viable mechanic for PVP!

Auar