Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Understandable :) I love that you guys are working on this though,

Sigh, more of the same, again? Split weapon system, drones and turrets. If you are going to make a drone boat, make it a DRONE boat! No guns, just drones, with bonuses and bay to match. We already have plenty of turret ships with drones. This is just more of the same, with slightly more (1) drones.


Love the drone tracking speed bonus though. That's new and exciting. And HP bonus is great, though truth be told I would like to see a 20% HP boost per level, not 10%. At 10% drones still die too easy, and they're too important on this ship, especially if you're not going to give us the bandwidth to carry more than 1 full flight.

Which brings me to my last point, once again, 25 bandwidth, 40 bay? Why not 50 bay? Give us 2 full flights if we have to warp out in a jiffy and can't wait for drones. Which happens OFTEN. Very, very, very, very, very...[infinity]...very, very often. Would it really be so horrific if we had backups? How does this unbalance the ship? Aside from perhaps adding a smidgeon of flexibility? Besides, all this comes at a cost - if ship is destroyed with 2 flights of drones, it'll cost me more than 1.6 flights. Risk vs reward, flexibility for more ISK. What's the problem?

I say this from a loving place, but perhaps it's time to break the (broken) old mechanic of split weapon systems and weak drone bays and bonuses for drone boats. Drone boats should be drone boats, not 50% turret and 50% drones. We already have tons of ships with 70% whatever and 30% drones or less. Not much of a difference there.



Which makes a bomber the "entry level" Gallente missile boat? A little expensive, don't you think. At least if Tristan had missiles, by the time the player got to bombers, he'd have missile support skills (projection, payload, etc.), even if rockets/lights are useless.

Also don't forget Gila and Rattlesnake. A lot of Gallente pilots with drone skills will fly those. I did. Cross-trained Caldari specifically for those two hulls. And again, while rocket/lights are useless for those, all the missile support skills would be useful.

I just dislike the idea of the Gallente pilot's first and only taste of missiles coming from the rookie boat (bonuses on which are static, and which most players will leave behind within their first hour), and then only revisiting them with T2 bomber or a faction cruiser. Tristan would provide a nice middle ground for that.

You guys really need to make up your mind on what you want to do. If you want to keep Gallente in hybrids/drones with armor tank, then do it. You'll have to redesign the Nemesis away from missiles, but that's pretty much it. But if you want to have Gallente train ALL of the missile skills for basically just 1 ship (not counting Gila/Rattlesnake), then perhaps there should be other ships as well, and a frigate makes an awful lot of sense.

I'm happy to see tristan like this but 3 med+2 light drones or one sentry in frigate class? It can kill any T1 cruiser or tier-3 BC. If you want to see powerful drone platform just change turret bonus to something useful like drone HP or stasis webifier range or armor resistances. I prefer 0 turrents and long webifier

So shouldn't the Inquisitor be in with this group? Or are you just having the Tormentor with this group, and will just switch the Inquisitor into the next group? Which is fine.

The Tristan seems like it has one less slot than the rest of the ships in this group 9 instead of 10. Is that because it has so many more drones?

If the Tormentor is going to be the Frigate of this group can we get a range bonus instead of the cap use bonus or a bigger drone bay?

And can anybody please answer the question of the Amarr cap use bonus? There have been lots of people asking questions and few threads also.

Well thanks for your time.

Making the Tristan a missile ship also would lessen the sidestep toward the worm, it uses rockets or light missiles. So it would not be wasted SP to train them
Edit: Also I really would like to see the Navitas as a drone ship as well. It would look much better then the Tristan, look at the style of the Vexor, Myrmidon, and the Dominix, the Tristan would only be an eye sore in the drone boat line.

@ CCP Fozzie


Could you tell us your thinking behind the Tristan only having 9 slots compared to the others 10?




Not that I want a MSE II double DDA II kite b@stard or anything.

How about amarr drone frigate?

I'm liking the changes for the most part.

Kestrel has finally the grid to fit light launchers without a mapc and the other additions should make it a great mission boat, a kiter or a tanky rocket boat. With the light missile buff it should be a very competetive ship. The cargobay decrease will lose the ability to be a low-level hauler but the exploration frigates should pick up that role even better.

Tristan has the full flight of lights but the split weapon bonus isn't usually something that could be called good. It looks like it's supposed to stay at range and support the drone dps with rails. It gets about 120 dps with warrior IIs and 125mms, which is still more than the kestrel's 90-ish or whatever it will be after the patch without damage mods on either so I suppose there is some reasoning done there. However the ship will be more expensive to fit with tech 2 drones than the rest.

The breacher is a... tanky rocket boat with some drones? Is the shield supposed to be as strong as the caldari shield? It makes sense but it might be good to ask if it's intentional since most of the other changes have shown that minmatar has a lower shield amount and the rest of the stats follow the usual layout. Other than that I can't really think of about this ship.

NOOOOOOO! I wanted the Tristan as a missile boat and the Navitas as a Drone boat. Please reconsider. This is worth protesting over.

Also I am sicking the CSM on you:

https://twitter.com/aideronrobotics/status/236100917680803841
https://twitter.com/aideronrobotics/status/236101435492802560
https://twitter.com/aideronrobotics/status/236100917680803841

Edit: didn't read carefully enough, sorry.