EVE General Discussion

I agree with all the points in the against off grid, so no comment on that.



Summed these two point up due to forums quote limitations and them being quite similar.

- They should either train them into something useful or unsub them.

See point 1. Furthermore, I often felt the fact my higher SP pvp characters having nearly all V leadership skills (no information warfare links) was appreciated quite well nost of the time. Of course I can see the point if it's just some dirt-cheap 'twink' (I almost threw up typing that word).




If the pilot flying the alt is remotely competent, he will know what distance to set his D-scan to, hit that every now and then and as soon as he sees probes in a certain range, he warps to another safe. People losing their offgrid T3 boosters are either incompentent, multiboxing on one screen, lazy, dumb, drunk or asleep - most likely a combination of all.
Concerning destroying the POS - yeah - just quickly take it out in your T1 frig and cross fingers it's not stronted .



Titan bonuses should probably work off-grid, but not from within POS shields. Carriers are actually a viable solution to field on-grid once off grid boosting is removed. Currently anything is better than them due to their unbonused boost - T3 offgrids or even CS on grid.

Rorquals should probably be used in cyno jammed systems, proper intel channels and a defense fleet in vicinity - not sure never did any large-scale nullsec mining ops.



How the heck is flying an offgrid alt any more fun? If you can dualbox on and off grid, get some practice and fly both on grid.




A few more points:

- T3s have a better bonus to links because they were supposed to fit just 1-2 of them - if people wouldn't gimp their fits by fitting tons of command links on them to abuse them, they'd be perfectly viable on grid in a proper gang.
- Off grid bonuses as a mechanic are just as stupid as having off grid RR. You think the latter is completely dumb idea? Congrats, but then you can't advocate for the former, because it's basically the same thing.
- After the initial investment, they only offer benefits for absolutely no drawback, making them a necessity sooner or later. We already have people flying T1 frigs with their own private T3 offgrid booster just to appear ~elite~. Great for real noobs trying to get their feet wet solo...
- People keep mentioning it helps small gang warfare, but basically, they're a force multiplier, which by definition benefits the larger number more than it does the smaller. Also, they (especially POS boosters) are easier to use for the defending party than the aggressors - hence, they discourage roams into hostile territory.

- To avoid Grid-Fu after they were made to be on grid only, they should only work withn an invisible 200 km radius bubble and shouln't be able to be activated from within POS shields.

Fix: don't do compression in the belt. Leave that for the Rorqual to do back at the POS. Use the in-belt Rorqual for buffing, tractoring, and as a convenient one-stop location for the hauling Orcas to warp to.

That would make them unique amongst command ships and carriers. I haven't used a Rorqual myself, but the documentation states that siege mode is required for the compression facility to work. The leadership modifiers are hull bonuses.

Yeah, you'd probably have an on-grid and aligned orca instead. Or you could just tackle yourself in the "belt" and hope no one comes in...

Should be on-grid only, the end.

How to go about that to be exact? Not sure, but off-grid boosting needs to go away.

No , what about rorquals in nullsec or wh you will just make them obsolete and pretty much give high sec miners a buff , nobody is going to risk a 3b ship that is slow as hell in a belt, not something you though on is it

Where does this magical bonus come from anyway? I say completely overhaul the whole system. Being in massive fleets should cause sub-optimal performance, penalties which could then be negated through the use of command links.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2075497#post2075497

Also: I find it funny that people are so hard up on the miners about maxing ore retrieval at the expense of tank, yet for some reason noone is harping on these people with 5000 HP boosting T3s. It seems to me that now that the shoe is on the other foot it doesn't fit right. Right.

While moving fleet boosts to on grid would fix some problems there are still dozens of other problems that wouldn't be fixed by this with the leadership system which I say is call for a slightly larger rework. Current problems that wouldn't be fixed by simple move them on grid change:

1. Limit of one leadership type per fleet, a 2nd one of the same type only allows better fiddling with wings etc.
2. Limit of number of available slots for booster to fit into fleet
3. Fleet max size is fixed at 256 changes to this would affect leadership dramatically



I think we need a rework of the way the leadership mechanic works that fixes a few of these issues and I've thought up a possible solution:

1. Fiddle numbers to compensate for other changes (massive decrease for starters)
2. Allow multiple command ships of the same type to stack (using the same formula as module stacking)
3. Fleet bonuses from anywhere in system are pooled together (do not need to be on grid to give bonuses)
4. Command ships do not need to be in bonus giving roles to give out their bonus (as long as they are in fleet with modules active bonuses are added to system pool)
5. Base bonuses of anywhere in system are weak but are applied as long as your are in fleet regardless of any command structure or skills of command structure or location of command structure.
6. Having a squad commander on grid uncloaked will apply a 'fleet bonus multiplier' to all his squad members on grid. The 'fleet bonus multiplier' increases per level of basic leadership (eg. 10% per level as apposed to old +2 squad members per level).
7. Command ships (t2 or t3) on grid in a squad commander position apply a 'fleet bonus multiplier' based on command ship skill (eg. 20% per level). This is calculated in a separate stack from the base leadership skill but multiplied by each other in the end.
8. Leadership skills or command ships skills of those in wing command or higher positions apply a 'fleet bonus multiplier' to all squad below but it is halved for each level higher in the command structure they are, bonuses from multiple command levels are also added together and are capped at the bonus you could receive from having a max skilled command ship as squad commander.



The idea here is to let off grid boosting still work or boosting when you fleet is in multiple areas in a system still work or even things like a claymore leading a frig gang doesn't have to stay right with the frigs. However having a command ship on grid doubles the bonus meaning a ship that can do both without exploding has it's place. Also as you always need more command ships to fill the squad/wing commander roles as well as letting multiple command bonuses of the same type stack it lets you bring as many command ships as you want they just start curving off in usefulness quickly after a certain point rather than being outright useless to have more than 1.

This solution would also allow you to increase fleet size by another level to 1281 and it would make a nice role for a command frigate that fits none of the command modules but has the command 'fleet bonus multiplier'.

Or allow Rorquals to boost with bonuses without having to enter siege, just like every other ship with command bonuses.