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A petition to CCP Greyscale on Sentry Mechanics (Please Read)

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#361 - 2012-08-07 01:18:18 UTC
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That's not the thrust of the original post... and frankly being able to tank the gate guns in any area indefinitely is a poor mechanic to begin with.

You will get little sympathy from any "pirate" worth his salt, or anyone else for that matter.


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Oh Jesus.... gate guns already are "untankable" to single ships unless multiple persons share aggression... And yes that IS the thrust of the original post. The original post was clearly stating a negative change to small gang engagements off gates.

And don't give me this "pirate worth his salt etc etc" tripe. You've had multiple pirates from all backgrounds comment and agree with the points I originally outlined.

Pointing out:

1: The thrust of the original post very clearly indicates that you believe that Low sec status (even in a low sec area) means that the gate guns will fire on you... and also a time limit on engagements.
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What does this mean? Essentially it is led up to interpretation but anyone "suspect" hence anyone with negative sec status will essentially be fired upon in low sec. GCC no longer becomes applicable and fights on gates now will be reduced to under 5 minutes or until all aggressor's are destroyed.


2: Some ships CAN tank gate guns indefinitely (or if you prefer, more than long enough to do the job). Why do you think a Triage carrier is part of the example, hmmm?

3: There are far more wanna be pirates out that with less than half a clue than there are competent pirates. If you don't know this then I know what category you belong in.

I think you are going to find that when this all shakes out that his frame of reference was primarily concerning gate guns in high sec... and that low sec guns will continue to ignore sec status just as they do now.

But please, feel free to continue to wax hysterical before we have any detailed information about the exact mechanics of it.

After all, it's par for the course for your average EVE forum poster.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#362 - 2012-08-07 01:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Whar Target wrote:
This will pretty much kill piracy in Eve. The only consistently reliable place to catch people is on the gate. Anyone with half a brain cell will be spamming DSCAN while running a site or mission in low sec, so even if you do probe them down they'll be aligning out while you are warping to them.



how dumb are you people, really, to think defenders shouldn't have some tools against aggressors? The ease of kills in EVE has atrophied your brains.
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#363 - 2012-08-07 01:32:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Ranger 1 wrote:


After all, it's par for the course for your average EVE forum poster.


Sadly, what I see that's par for the course is people chiming in with no understanding at all of game mechanics like you.

If he was only talking about high sec gates why bring up criminal flags? Ever go to high sec with gcc? I'd go on but the only people who matter already know how wrong any carebear who posted here is about low sec in general as if you're going to insta-pop at every gate, low sec is completely dead, sentries will help you operate in any way there outside of the station, etc...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#364 - 2012-08-07 01:37:51 UTC
Homo Jesus wrote:
If he was only talking about high sec gates why bring up criminal flags? Ever go to high sec with gcc? I'd go on but the only people who matter already know how wrong any carebear who posted here is about low sec in general as if you're going to insta-pop at every gate, low sec is completely dead, sentries will help you operate in any way there outside of the station, etc...

I thought the point was the guns wouldn't instapop anyone. Whereas they "insta"pop frigates right now.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#365 - 2012-08-07 01:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Homo Jesus wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


After all, it's par for the course for your average EVE forum poster.


Sadly, what I see that's par for the course is people chiming in with no understanding at all of game mechanics like you.

If he was only talking about high sec gates why bring up criminal flags? Ever go to high sec with gcc? I'd go on but the only people who matter already know how wrong any carebear who posted here is about low sec in general as if you're going to insta-pop at every gate, low sec is completely dead, sentries will help you operate in any way there outside of the station, etc...


Psst, I live in Low Sec and currently am dabbling in FW there as a change of pace from 0.0 warfare and Low Sec piracy.

You might note that I"m not the one panicking because someone mentioned they "think" a possible upcoming change might mean that people will get shot more often on gates in Low Sec.

I'm saying wait until you get the details on how these proposed changes will work with Low Sec sentries as opposed to High Sec sentries, and get it in the correct context, then decide whether or not to get your panties in a bunch over it.

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Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#366 - 2012-08-07 01:48:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
If he was only talking about high sec gates why bring up criminal flags? Ever go to high sec with gcc? I'd go on but the only people who matter already know how wrong any carebear who posted here is about low sec in general as if you're going to insta-pop at every gate, low sec is completely dead, sentries will help you operate in any way there outside of the station, etc...

I thought the point was the guns wouldn't instapop anyone. Whereas they "insta"pop frigates right now.


You were able to get a point out of all this? Mostly the conclusion I've come to is some dev guy shot a spitball at the chalkboard and promised to try to clean it up before release day.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#367 - 2012-08-07 01:50:56 UTC
Homo Jesus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
If he was only talking about high sec gates why bring up criminal flags? Ever go to high sec with gcc? I'd go on but the only people who matter already know how wrong any carebear who posted here is about low sec in general as if you're going to insta-pop at every gate, low sec is completely dead, sentries will help you operate in any way there outside of the station, etc...

I thought the point was the guns wouldn't instapop anyone. Whereas they "insta"pop frigates right now.


You were able to get a point out of all this? Mostly the conclusion I've come to is some dev guy shot a spitball at the chalkboard and promised to try to clean it up before release day.

Leaping to the wrong conclusion can be habit forming.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#368 - 2012-08-07 01:53:33 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
You were able to get a point out of all this? Mostly the conclusion I've come to is some dev guy shot a spitball at the chalkboard and promised to try to clean it up before release day.

Leaping to the wrong conclusion can be habit forming.

Hey, CCP does that all the time too. Heh.

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Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#369 - 2012-08-07 01:59:32 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
If he was only talking about high sec gates why bring up criminal flags? Ever go to high sec with gcc? I'd go on but the only people who matter already know how wrong any carebear who posted here is about low sec in general as if you're going to insta-pop at every gate, low sec is completely dead, sentries will help you operate in any way there outside of the station, etc...

I thought the point was the guns wouldn't instapop anyone. Whereas they "insta"pop frigates right now.


You were able to get a point out of all this? Mostly the conclusion I've come to is some dev guy shot a spitball at the chalkboard and promised to try to clean it up before release day.

Leaping to the wrong conclusion can be habit forming.


Yeah, not being a null or FW pet chasing isk taught me to try to consistently predict outcomes and understand mechanics beyond what primary was called...good nite o/
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2012-08-07 02:01:19 UTC
Whar Target wrote:
This will pretty much kill piracy in Eve. The only consistently reliable place to catch people is on the gate. Anyone with half a brain cell will be spamming DSCAN while running a site or mission in low sec, so even if you do probe them down they'll be aligning out while you are warping to them.

Basically you'll be able to catch random noobs in belts and then float in space for 15 minutes because otherwise the gate/station guns will kill you.

This game is being ruined one patch at a time..

CCP why don't you come clean and admit you are doing this to clear out pirates from faction warfare lowsec just to make sure your dust 514 launch has carebears in Eve able to travel there and participate in planetary bombardment risk free

OMG CCP KILLD PRACY!11

WAT THEY EXPECT U TO DO NAO? WORK FOR YUR KILLZ? THAS LOODICRUS

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#371 - 2012-08-07 02:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Whar Target wrote:
This will pretty much kill piracy in Eve. The only consistently reliable place to catch people is on the gate. Anyone with half a brain cell will be spamming DSCAN while running a site or mission in low sec, so even if you do probe them down they'll be aligning out while you are warping to them.

Basically you'll be able to catch random noobs in belts and then float in space for 15 minutes because otherwise the gate/station guns will kill you.

This game is being ruined one patch at a time..

CCP why don't you come clean and admit you are doing this to clear out pirates from faction warfare lowsec just to make sure your dust 514 launch has carebears in Eve able to travel there and participate in planetary bombardment risk free

OMG CCP KILLD PRACY!11

WAT THEY EXPECT U TO DO NAO? WORK FOR YUR KILLZ? THAS LOODICRUS


hahahhah! my thoughts exactly. Its amazing the river of tears these brainless babies can produce when easymode "pvp" is taken away. Should have been done years ago but better late than never.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#372 - 2012-08-07 02:23:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Homo Jesus wrote:
You were able to get a point out of all this? Mostly the conclusion I've come to is some dev guy shot a spitball at the chalkboard and promised to try to clean it up before release day.

Leaping to the wrong conclusion can be habit forming.

Hey, CCP does that all the time too. Heh.

True, true...

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#373 - 2012-08-07 02:24:05 UTC
Homo Jesus wrote:
Yeah, not being a null or FW pet chasing isk taught me to try to consistently predict outcomes and understand mechanics beyond what primary was called...good nite o/

When I fly ECM I can get to be called primary.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#374 - 2012-08-07 02:44:28 UTC
signed.

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Attica
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2012-08-07 02:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Attica
/not signed :)

You cant be a pirate and expect to pretty much go where you please with impunity. You play you pay, if you're going to be an azs and gank ppl then more power to you. There must be consequences however to piracy, yes even more than is currently in the game, which is nothing really. It's one thing to be a pvp oriented game, it's another to let players ruin hours of play time of other players 'just cause' with no real consequences. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.

Pipa Porto
#376 - 2012-08-07 03:30:53 UTC
Attica wrote:
/not signed :)

You cant be a pirate and expect to pretty much go where you please with impunity. You play you pay, if you're going to be an azs and gank ppl then more power to you. There must be consequences however to piracy, yes even more than is currently in the game, which is nothing really. It's one thing to be a pvp oriented game, it's another to let players ruin hours of play time of other players 'just cause' with no real consequences. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.


The only reason pirates can roam around with impunity is because other players don't kill them. There are no repercussions whatsoever to killing a pirate. It's a PvP game, you want pirates to have a rough time of it, nothing's stopping you from making it so, Mr. Sulu.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Attica
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2012-08-07 03:36:02 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Attica wrote:
/not signed :)

You cant be a pirate and expect to pretty much go where you please with impunity. You play you pay, if you're going to be an azs and gank ppl then more power to you. There must be consequences however to piracy, yes even more than is currently in the game, which is nothing really. It's one thing to be a pvp oriented game, it's another to let players ruin hours of play time of other players 'just cause' with no real consequences. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.


The only reason pirates can roam around with impunity is because other players don't kill them. There are no repercussions whatsoever to killing a pirate. It's a PvP game, you want pirates to have a rough time of it, nothing's stopping you from making it so, Mr. Sulu.



Aye but there is an npc police force in the game for a reason.

Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#378 - 2012-08-07 03:42:45 UTC
Attica wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Attica wrote:
/not signed :)

You cant be a pirate and expect to pretty much go where you please with impunity. You play you pay, if you're going to be an azs and gank ppl then more power to you. There must be consequences however to piracy, yes even more than is currently in the game, which is nothing really. It's one thing to be a pvp oriented game, it's another to let players ruin hours of play time of other players 'just cause' with no real consequences. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.


The only reason pirates can roam around with impunity is because other players don't kill them. There are no repercussions whatsoever to killing a pirate. It's a PvP game, you want pirates to have a rough time of it, nothing's stopping you from making it so, Mr. Sulu.



Aye but there is an npc police force in the game for a reason.


Ahahahaha.... Oh plz concord save me!
Pipa Porto
#379 - 2012-08-07 03:46:53 UTC
Attica wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Attica wrote:
/not signed :)

You cant be a pirate and expect to pretty much go where you please with impunity. You play you pay, if you're going to be an azs and gank ppl then more power to you. There must be consequences however to piracy, yes even more than is currently in the game, which is nothing really. It's one thing to be a pvp oriented game, it's another to let players ruin hours of play time of other players 'just cause' with no real consequences. Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish.


The only reason pirates can roam around with impunity is because other players don't kill them. There are no repercussions whatsoever to killing a pirate. It's a PvP game, you want pirates to have a rough time of it, nothing's stopping you from making it so, Mr. Sulu.



Aye but there is an npc police force in the game for a reason.


Not in LS.

In HS, they're largely ineffectual for a reason. Because they're meant to be a minor inconvenience for outlaws. The Players are the ones who are supposed to (if they want) make life hell for pirates.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#380 - 2012-08-07 03:47:36 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Ahahahaha.... Oh plz concord save me!

Only if you get an offensive module used on you, by someone you're not flagged to or at war with, and only after a (probably substantial) delay.

Hope your tank can last until then Shocked

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