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Sorceror Majiir
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-07-28 08:37:36 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
OK, all you whining whiny little whine-guys:

You can stop now. (/Facedesk)

.



Well I editted the rant, impressive. Good to hear about the mining boats and yeah Eve always gets around to balancing stuff so I'm sure they'll do something that will swing the bar back to the perps side of the table. Long distance high speed torps on shuttles maybe... just for you guys.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#202 - 2012-07-28 09:56:12 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
OK, all you whining whiny little whine-guys:

You can stop now. (/Facedesk)

.



Well I editted the rant, impressive. Good to hear about the mining boats and yeah Eve always gets around to balancing stuff so I'm sure they'll do something that will swing the bar back to the perps side of the table. Long distance high speed torps on shuttles maybe... just for you guys.


That bar was only swung towards the "perps" because the perps' targets chose to be victims, instead of pro-actively using the tools CCP gives to everyone equally to defend themselves.

That wasn't a rant. You'll know when I really let rip with one of those, but I don't wanna get banned -- again -- so we'll just leave off, for now.

No, no long-distance hi-speed torps on shuittles. Stealth Bombers already have those, along with cloaky-cloaky. Add the ability to bomb in hisec and losec, and to BLOPs bridge into/between hisec, and for the price of 1 AlphaToro, you can get 4-5 of them to do a little "silent murder."

The classic one- or two-shot Arty-Urp is still funny as Hell, though.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Taraxon Taranogas
Doomheim
#203 - 2012-08-03 19:10:44 UTC
I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.

How pathetic.

The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.

Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#204 - 2012-08-03 19:39:13 UTC
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.

How pathetic.

The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.

Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you.

Actualy we are too busy scratching our heads at why they can't figure out how a medium shield extender works. And I for one am rather fond of the barge changes. It should help our hulks not instantly explode the moment an assault frigate lands on grid.
Taraxon Taranogas
Doomheim
#205 - 2012-08-03 19:57:26 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.

How pathetic.

The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.

Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you.

Actualy we are too busy scratching our heads at why they can't figure out how a medium shield extender works. And I for one am rather fond of the barge changes. It should help our hulks not instantly explode the moment an assault frigate lands on grid.


You are correct, sir.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#206 - 2012-08-04 00:00:54 UTC
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.

How pathetic.

The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.

Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you.


ROFL. I haven't whined at all about the mining barge increases. Why? Because the Hulk is only getting a "modest" boost and you will continue to use them for the most part because your worried about yield above all things.

So what if I need to throw another Catalyst at it to make it go boom. Whoop-di-friggen-doo!

Oh, and if you think that all I do is gank miners, I invite you to take a lookie at my killboard. There's a good mix of stuff. I've just taken to ganking Hulks lately because it's so damned profitable, and because God told me too. Funny how those voices in your head from mythical deities prompt you do do things, isn't it? Blink

What's more pathetic is that you sit there idly and allow me to kill you with prejudice. Thank you for being so stupid! hf o/\o
Maddie Gunslinger
Doomheim
#207 - 2012-08-04 01:17:07 UTC
OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless.

What? No...
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#208 - 2012-08-04 03:48:53 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
I love how you all call the carebares whiny when in fact you stink so bad that you have to come to hi-sec and shoot at mining barges.

How pathetic.

The double standard is that you are all whining about them beefing up the barges so that miners might have some sort of chance.

Of course the concept that someone might actually want to play the game as a miner is alien to you.


ROFL. I haven't whined at all about the mining barge increases. Why? Because the Hulk is only getting a "modest" boost and you will continue to use them for the most part because your worried about yield above all things.

So what if I need to throw another Catalyst at it to make it go boom. Whoop-di-friggen-doo!

Oh, and if you think that all I do is gank miners, I invite you to take a lookie at my killboard. There's a good mix of stuff. I've just taken to ganking Hulks lately because it's so damned profitable, and because God told me too. Funny how those voices in your head from mythical deities prompt you do do things, isn't it? Blink

What's more pathetic is that you sit there idly and allow me to kill you with prejudice. Thank you for being so stupid! hf o/\o


I believe Hulks may even be a little weaker now on tank. ;(

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#209 - 2012-08-04 11:09:29 UTC
Maddie Gunslinger wrote:
OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless.


Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress.

I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol
Taraxon Taranogas
Doomheim
#210 - 2012-08-04 11:41:46 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Maddie Gunslinger wrote:
OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless.


Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress.

I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Seriously:

I guess I have 2 questions (educate a noob here).

1. How is ganking miners profitable? Is it looting the wreck or does the parent corp pay you for each kill?

2. Why are miners "stupid"? I will give you props on miners that do not fortify their ships properly but really, a realtively new miner with "OK" skills cannot protect him/herself against 3 dessies on a suicide mission. How is that stupid?
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#211 - 2012-08-04 11:44:23 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Maddie Gunslinger wrote:
OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless.


Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress.

I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


I had entered the contest, too... How mean of you!
George Clooney would never say something like that to a lady!

Aside from that the whole thread quickly derailed into something ridiculous after the first page or so, so I don't think anyone got ganked, although there were people who more or less self-destructed, imo.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#212 - 2012-08-04 18:54:04 UTC
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Maddie Gunslinger wrote:
OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless.


Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress.

I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Seriously:

I guess I have 2 questions (educate a noob here).

1. How is ganking miners profitable? Is it looting the wreck or does the parent corp pay you for each kill?

2. Why are miners "stupid"? I will give you props on miners that do not fortify their ships properly but really, a realtively new miner with "OK" skills cannot protect him/herself against 3 dessies on a suicide mission. How is that stupid?


1. Cause you have a friend or alt scoop the loot and salvage the wreck. Both can be sold for far more than the cost of the ganking ship

2. New miners are not profitable. Hulks with little to no tank are VERY profitable and are the focus of gankers.

that said. some people will gank u just to ruin ur day. perhaps u were in the wrong place in the wrong time, or maybe u were obnoxious like fab rod and painted a target on ur head.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#213 - 2012-08-04 19:00:22 UTC
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Danks wrote:
Sorceror Majiir wrote:

Danks:

Clearly your upset that my unsupported facts, ie from memory, are just as good as your unsupported facts, from your memory.



When your facts are 1) that ganking used not to be possible in high sec and 2) half a million people have given eve a try and quit then I'm going to laugh and call you a troll.


Yeah Danks, I'll stick to both those statements.

On the bright side, I just signed up for the Dust beta, made it through the general part, perhaps due to the fact I've played the game since week 2 :) .. and heh, it's looks purty cool. Kudo's to Eve for getting a planetside game.





oh crap. he's playing dust too? but he'll want risk free spawn points and invulnerability for 30 secs after each spawn, so that newer players can learn the game...

i dnt really want ppl to slowly learn the game, i want them to hit the ground running and adapt on the fly or i want them to leave. And i dont think i'm alone in that thought. I think EVE would lose far more of its players if high sec became safe than it does through gankers.

There shouldn't be any safe place. even in ur captains quarters, i want to break down ur door and mug u for ur implants, cause thats my perfect sandbox

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Taraxon Taranogas
Doomheim
#214 - 2012-08-04 19:00:57 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Maddie Gunslinger wrote:
OP came in boasting miner kills, he thought this was CONCORD protected forum space, miner ganked him like a boss. Priceless.


Mmmm, still trying to see how I was the one who got ganked. It's very amusing to see this thread being trolled by someone who enters themselves in an Avatar Beauty Pageant for attention, but I digress.

I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Seriously:

I guess I have 2 questions (educate a noob here).

1. How is ganking miners profitable? Is it looting the wreck or does the parent corp pay you for each kill?

2. Why are miners "stupid"? I will give you props on miners that do not fortify their ships properly but really, a realtively new miner with "OK" skills cannot protect him/herself against 3 dessies on a suicide mission. How is that stupid?


1. Cause you have a friend or alt scoop the loot and salvage the wreck. Both can be sold for far more than the cost of the ganking ship

2. New miners are not profitable. Hulks with little to no tank are VERY profitable and are the focus of gankers.

that said. some people will gank u just to ruin ur day. perhaps u were in the wrong place in the wrong time, or maybe u were obnoxious like fab rod and painted a target on ur head.


No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#215 - 2012-08-04 19:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:

No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.


I didnt mean u specifically Taraxon.

also, the desired yield u want from ur hulks is whats making u an attractive target. either have high yield and get ganked or sacrifice ur yield to make urself un profitable.

there are hulk fits that have an ehp of 30k and still get 85%-ish of a full on mining hulk.

[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Solo_Maxi_Miner Yield: 2942 w/Orca]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Extender II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Mining Drone II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Tanked_Miner Yield: 2525 w/Orca]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier I
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5

Its not a great difference in mining yield. Or am i missing something massive here??

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Taraxon Taranogas
Doomheim
#216 - 2012-08-04 19:42:14 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:

No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.


I didnt mean u specifically Taraxon.

also, the desired yield u want from ur hulks is whats making u an attractive target. either have high yield and get ganked or sacrifice ur yield to make urself un profitable.

there are hulk fits that have an ehp of 30k and still get 85%-ish of a full on mining hulk.

[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Solo_Maxi_Miner Yield: 2942 w/Orca]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Extender II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Mining Drone II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Tanked_Miner Yield: 2525 w/Orca]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier I
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5

Its not a great difference in mining yield. Or am i missing something massive here??


Thank you. It was nice to get help rather than trolling. I do understand the gankers though as it's part of the game mechanics. So once I get all the skills I think it would be a better time to field one of these.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#217 - 2012-08-04 19:45:20 UTC
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Taraxon Taranogas wrote:

No I would not say obnoxious. Just trying to mine. You just can't tank a hulk and get the desired yield. Again a few dessies will always get you. That said, it's allowed in the game so it's on the table. Thanks for the info.


I didnt mean u specifically Taraxon.

also, the desired yield u want from ur hulks is whats making u an attractive target. either have high yield and get ganked or sacrifice ur yield to make urself un profitable.

there are hulk fits that have an ehp of 30k and still get 85%-ish of a full on mining hulk.

[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Solo_Maxi_Miner Yield: 2942 w/Orca]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Extender II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I


Mining Drone II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


[Hulk, Hulk I2 - Tanked_Miner Yield: 2525 w/Orca]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier I
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5

Its not a great difference in mining yield. Or am i missing something massive here??


Thank you. It was nice to get help rather than trolling. I do understand the gankers though as it's part of the game mechanics. So once I get all the skills I think it would be a better time to field one of these.

See? People like you aren't the ones we have problems with. It's the ones that fill their midslots with civilian shield boosters, their lowslots with cargo expanders, and then cargo rig their hulks, then whine when they get blowed up by a catalyst that **** us off.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#218 - 2012-08-05 17:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this.

WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release.

Daemon Ceed wrote:


I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#219 - 2012-08-05 18:44:21 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this.

WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release.

Daemon Ceed wrote:


I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention.

One character can kill a hulk every 20 minutes. A bad drop will still net you around 20 mill. So multiply that by 3 and you've got 60mill/hour. Therefore 3 people ganking hulks can EASILY pull in 20 mill an hour. Though hulks like to mine in groups so if you have multiple people, you can gank multiple hulks at the same time. (even a solo ganker can grab 2 at a time if he is fast)
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#220 - 2012-08-05 19:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Astroniomix wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
you'd have to be an idiot to believe someone claiming they get 20 mil an hour off hulk salvage after splitting it between 3-4 people. I guess its typical of someone who would make a thread like this.

WoW Deamon, looks like you've been baited, trolled, hooked, reeled in, and are now flopping around on the bottom of this failboat of a thread in a pathetic defense of yourself, only Fabulous Rod doesn't believe in catch and release.

Daemon Ceed wrote:


I actually posted this to get some laughs and show how dumb some miners were. My point was sufficiently proven. Good day! Lol


Its funny how you did the opposite and the only thing you proved was that you be a clown in desperate need of attention.

One character can kill a hulk every 20 minutes. A bad drop will still net you around 20 mill. So multiply that by 3 and you've got 60mill/hour. Therefore 3 people ganking hulks can EASILY pull in 20 mill an hour. Though hulks like to mine in groups so if you have multiple people, you can gank multiple hulks at the same time. (even a solo ganker can grab 2 at a time if he is fast)



Too bad it doesn't actually work like you say and your math is borked. You are also omitting all the prep work, cost of suicide, and inability to solo gank hulks in a dessy. With such desperate theorycrafting comming from you, you could easily suppose that most orca pilots probably have salvagers fitted and have just as good, if not better a chance of getting the salvage.

Keep telling us how you pick the corn out of other peoples poop to save money on food in no time at all.