EVE General Discussion

Reading with sunglasses at night is bad, specially after drinking. Read again.

Is that the best you could come up with? Stop trying to be cute and post on your main, coward.

Ho I could be as cruel flashy red like you and also insult you, witch is against forum rules of course if we start insulting each other because of pixels stuff.

I still don't understand your real problem since some serious pirates already stated their concerns and that actually improving sentry fire wasn't one problem for them. Can you actually explain something without insulting personally someone not sharing your obvious knowledge and internet importance?

Ok fine. Its the principle of the thing and the direction suggestions like these take the game will not benefit anyone. I consider it a slippery slope. If you really want to improve low sec you need to provide rewards that justify the risk. Then its a win win for everyone. All this does is attempt to solve the problem by limiting the options of other players....and it will do that. Pirating is just like trading or mining or anything else. Its a choice players make. It just so happens that its not a very profitable one for most involved. Allowing CCP to nerf our options in order to give you more is unfair and goes against what has made this a great place to play. This has been said repeatedly.

There are also plenty of people who operate in low sec as non-pirates all the time without serious issue. No more than should be expected in a combat zone. So again its the wrong direction to go. EVE is based on forcing adaptation. Making things easier in order to increase a given population is, and will always be, the wrong answer.

....is that pretty enough for ya?

But Scion, nothing would be worth the risk because you would be insta-popped as soon as you tried to go chase that shiny thing.
But thats probably what gate campers want right?
"oh lets make it more valuable so that people come to low-sec...and we can pop more on the gates when they try to get it "

teach me, what are these...friends?
and also, wouldn't there be mostly used entry points seeing as how tons of people would be there to get new stuffs?

Not true. TBH the only thing you are catching at a gate is a cruiser or BC that didn't bother to use an alt, ask a friend to scout or a hauler that doesn't know how to fraps warp. If you simply think ahead you can get through just fine. Or you wait. Your playing against humans, they will sleep at some point. Half the time we are drunk and watching porn anyway. Perhaps you give us pirates too much credit. Ya there are insta-lock setups out there...go back to my first line. Not to mention Dotlan gives instant updates and kills in system. I mean come on. There is a reason we call them carebears. Its not because you pve, we do that to. Its because you are painfully oblivious to what you need to do. Expecting CCP to 'make it better' is just plain sad.

I'll share my opinion with you from the beginning:

Too many wolves not enough sheep makes low sec what it is, thing is that wolves can't even admit this might be their fault, it's either dev's fault or sheep fault, the ones because they're incompetent and the others because they're lazy. This is the first problem.

Then reward problem, in fact there is none.
Low sec has enough rewards and very profitable ones the moment you actually can do stuff there with a risk factor proportional to the reward, fut this factor is dead, the risk factor is more about extreme vs reward because wolves made it that way.
Thing is there are so many hungry wolves out there the slightest sheep trying to do something more than travel in some cloacky ship is going to blow up in pieces FTL.
Yes there are a couple systems with few dudes in and that actually might not even care about the pimp Tengu cleaning anoms for a couple weeks then get it and ransom, but this is more likely 5% of low sec population and I'm being generous.
Yes there are some dudes willing to take some risks and actually get some reward but if so many people complain about the fact the reward doesn't cover by any means the risk is it maybe because of something else than every carebear is a stupid pig and pirates are all Einsteins, maybe?

So from a game design point of view, what's the real problem? -the environment or what players do with and how to solve this?
Bring more rewards will not change the sheep attitude because the real problem is still wolves attitude. From there what can you do to make it different, add more value to the already existing that is clearly huge or make it so wolves get their liberties restrained a little bit?
At some point you have to either change some mechanic or add a new one so the symbiosis works again or at least starts working at some point and finish once and for all with this perpetual (true) moaning about low sec being dead (I've never read a single post telling low sec was awesome without 50 behind telling was crap starting by wolves)

The gate guns idea is something to start about or maybe think about a better one, thing is that without more information I do feel concerned about real pirates travelling, eventually being unable to grab their reward (some pirate pointed this and I think it's interesting to include it), and most important roaming gangs.

Someone's idea about dmg scaling with gang size can be good but also something easily exploited, the current announced change and without more information seems a bit OP to me too but thing is that something must be done about those smartbombing camps and lazy stupid camping the same gate for hours without much to worry from gate guns.

Now that we've finished with love poems to each other, what do you think of my point of view?

This kinda makes my point....kinda. Where are all the non-pirates who don't have issues? Why are people not organizing to take advantage of whats down there. I get the sense that CCP would just rather us all go do Faction Warfare...and I have considered it. But pirating is an entrenched part of EVE now. Its a different kind of pvp and both ends of it require a certain understanding of the game you won't find anywhere else. I don't know how you will convince people to take on pirates. It makes no sense to not take on pirates but jump into faction war. I haven't done it, but is it that different?

...exactly