EVE General Discussion

Are you dense? If anything this is a buff to gate camps - interceptors and frigs now being able to hang around and get initial tackles is something that is explicitly stated as a goal. The only thing that this prevents is bigger, more meaningful conflict. As has already been pointed out, but you keep purposefully ignoring those posts and just screaming about "bitter vets who hate change" and lazy pirates after "easy kills", etc.

PS: Hisec baddies don't avoid lowsec because of gate camps, they avoid lowsec because all of lowsec poses a danger to their little carebear ships, not just the entrance. This won't rejuvenate lowsec, it'll just make it more dead.

6/10 would lol again




It's an area of space designed primarily for PVP. If you don't want the possibility of pvp then you don't have to go there. The suggestion that what is essentially a pvp zone should be changed to allow stupid carebears to go there and not pvp is absurd.

Wikipedia has never been that inaccurate.

A recap and a reemphasizing of some points:

1. To even desire to nerf Rancer or Amamake is just wrongheaded. These system names have a weight to them, they're meaningful, like Jita or Arnon are meaningful, they're names worth remembering and fearing and they're systems which are sharply differentiated from other lowsec systems. Successfully nerfing them would make the game more boring, would just turn them into Yet Another Empty Lowsec System; Who Even Cares What It's Called - of which we have plenty already.

2. This plan, which carebears praise for its potential to reduce Rancer/Amamake to boring space, actually fails to do that; instead, it nerfs all of lowsec, making all of lowsec in ways much more dangerous to travel through for those of us who've decided to learn the bloody game, and in other ways making it less hospitable to gang pvp. You can gank - but you can't fight!

3. If you want a more populated lowsec, teach people how to play the game. If you try to teach people the game as it is right now, prior to this proposal, then at some point you'll explain why frigates are so great for moving around lowsec, you'll point out some problems with how the "grind highsec missions from L1 to L4" experience makes people think that they should wait to bring BCs or BSes into lowsec, you'll... realize that this proposal would destroy all of that advice.



This is the kind of person this change would appear to benefit: someone who has never once used a map to detect and avoid a camp.
Players could learn space, could learn that some areas are more dangerous than others, are inhabited by dangerous people whereas others have friendlier locals. Could learn through experience that you don't fly to your pod to Oso gate in Amamake. Players could see space as interesting, and be able to draw maps like this one of Stain.

Or you could buff people like Cyprus Black. If this measure fails, just keep trying, and one day totally clueless people will be able to fly blindly through lowsec -- but only from highsec to highsec, because the rewards for carebearing in lowsec will be the same rewards that never motivated Cyprus Black to learn how to use the map, and because cluelessly carebearing in lowsec will still get you killed.

Are tutorials really that hard to write?

CCP want to force all lowsec inhibitants into FW. Welcome to Blob Online, where smallscale gameplay is hated by the devs.

Except it doesn't. Last time I checked there's still quite significant differences between camping a gate in null and one in lowsec. This is besides the point anyway, pvp is an intended part of EVE. Crying because you ran face first into some, rather than taking the time and effort to prepare or avoid it, is stupid. You're at fault here.

There are plenty of other ways/places to get a fight. There is too much of blobbing, buffing of anti-combat, and this suggestion even flat out kills stuff like: ransoming, and combat escalation (hold down a target to have his friends come in and escalate the fight).

Basicly the OP is right. This is no whining. It is a direct attack on combat in EVE, and a minor buff to quick gatekills. That's it. But for proper combat, for ransoms, for escalations etc.. this is unecessary and directly detrimental for combat.

I literally can't remember the last time I saw a lo-sec enterence point "permacamped". Or even camped at all. And I go through Rancer fairly often at EU peak TZ.

You are straight up lying. Deliberately telling an untruth. Making **** up.


Aren't you ashamed to attempt to win some kind of rhetorical victory with such naked dishonesty? Would you like to take a step back for a moment and consider that you are a person who publically tells lies about a video game in order to "win" an argument?

What kind of person would you call that?

It's absurdly easy and safe to travel through lo-sec these days. I moved a god damb Noctis through Rancer this wee for christ's sake.

FIT CLOAK

FIT MWD

JUMP IN

HIT ALIGN, MWD, CLOAK VERY CLOSE TOGETHER

UNCLOAK WHEN MWD STOPS

INSTAWARP

Sorry for the x-post but;

Ok just to clarify;

'suspect' is a new thing introduced under the new crimewatch it's not the same as being below -5.0.

From what I understood (at fanfest) 'suspect' is a flag that occurs when you do something that would currently give somebody else aggression on you (like you loot their can).

Under the new crimewatch as explained at fanfest you will be one of three states at all times;

* neutral (done nothing)
* suspect (theft, neutral repping)
* criminal (anything that currently incurs GCC)

Which is not related to security status. So you might want to hold off on the wild speculation till you read up on the new crimewatch system.