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I like the idea of rebalancing the mining ships, and while I have not read all 40 some pages of replies so I am not sure if this has been suggested or not, I belive that there should be a ship class capable of transporting between 50,000 and 75,000 m3 base with decent amout of speed for a ship that size say 90mps and warp around 3 AU/s. Give it some decent sheild and armor and a couple of slots to customize it. Maybe even a turret or lancher slot depending on race. Maybe I'm alone in this thinking, but we have something like a pickup truck size craft, or a tractor trailer size ship with no delivery truck catigory. It just seems like a long way to me between 6,000m3 even maxed out with rigs and expanders around 42k m3 and the standard freighter of over 720,000 m3 cargo hold. Seems like there should be ships capable of transporting an out post but not an entire station.

Derick Deninard is asking for a mini-freighter, NOT an ORCA.

Freighers are required for Outposts - leave that alone.

I have no idea about ship balance but top mining bargers should get enough mining boost that give to miners ability to earn more money per hour and get a bit close to, lvl 4 mission runers, here is still big disspresion betwen benefit form missions lvl 4 and mining while solo. I dont whine here, just give you my opinion, i have exhumers on lvl 5 and pro mining skills on one of my mining character, and one character with tengu with well skiled missile etc, tengu pilot is able to earn like 30-40% more isk per hour (only form bounty) while runing mission lvl 4 than this miner.

QFT.
When I mine, my purpose is to pull in as much ore as possible in the shortest amount of time. Why? Because I can then go on to do other things in the time I have available to me.

Just spit balling here...

Hypothetically if you gave the new mining frigate 5 high slots for mining lasers couldn't you just use a fancy version of the same artwork to make a T2 mining frigate that is specialized for gas mining?

Isn't all gas mining in 0.0 and WH's anyway? By default a dangerous job. So the ships needs to be lite and fast with maybe a point or two in warp core stability?

All you need is a Blockade Runner to haul your gas out etc etc.

u mean a high sec version of an Rorqual ?

that should be a T2 varriant then but without the boosts


compressing is something that is very hard to get Economicaly Viable imo
as u need large volumes of high end ORE
not sure if a change in that Fuel usage would be a nice thing to add

i've bin mining for a long time now and even during Hulkageddon. and even the current Exhumers are capable of withstanding some gun fire without sacrificing Yield. T3's would indeed be a bigger target for gankers, but according to CCP they will never hand us a ship with more yield then the Hulk, that means that a T3 would have :

1. Better Tank
2. More Storage Space
3. Build-in Booster
4. Cloaking
5. increased warp strength
6. interdiction nullification
7. more mining drones
8. better mining drones
9. etc etc

i think there are so many possibilities
and we should not just look at the T3 for just mining ...
but for the Whole range of Industrial / Manufacturing / Mining / Hauling
as just a T3 miner would be boring and not add any deveristy

....ummmmm gas clouds go BOOM. You need a bit of tank to survive the explosions created by mining, not to mention the fact that Gas has *massive* volume per unit, you'd be warping to a station or other drop point so many times if you were limited by a frigate cargo yield that it wouldn't be a very efficient gas miner.

When I'm mining gas for boosters, I usually bastardize a battlecruiser with a goofy mix of tank and cargo expanders, along with the 5 gas harverster II's. Even than I'm still warping to the drop point constantly.

I'm having a hard time envisioning a frigate well-suited for this, that isn't obscenely disproportionate in terms of tank / cargo for its size.

The answer would be a decent sized Gas Hold...and gas clouds don't go boom that's the deep core mining stuff
But the original question still remains why not make a dedicated gas mining ship?

I like the new changes to the mining barges specifically.

I am not sure, that it will solve the ganking issue in high sec though.

I would suggest a slight modification to the current security status levels. Anyone can get ganked in 1.0 just as easy as in 0.5 atm which seems a little wrong IMO.

Why even have a sec status rating for these systems. You might as well just give it 3 statuses.

2.0 High sec
1.0 low sec
0.0 null sec

With the current system why not add advanced aggression from Concord and belt patrols for 1.0-0.8 space. You try and lock someone, you get a warning....you choose to actually lock them, Concord attacks you.

0.7-0.5 you can lock them, but you fire and you get Concorded. No belt patrols, but still patrols at gates and Stations.

0.4-0.1 Concord will respond eventually, so time for the ganker to retreat.

Null sec....well stays null sec.

The above are just a basic layout to make the security system actually mean more in the game. Just an idea. It does need to be looked at though and I would welcome any change at all. My idea is just an example.

The potential for people quitting the game will go down significantly.

The old heads wont quit because they cant gank folks in 1.0 systems anymore, but I am sure relatively new players have quit from being ganked after they spent all their hard earned isk just to lose it 10 minutes later to a ganker prick.

Risk vs reward comes into play as the more rare and expensive ore would be located in the lower sec systems.

I should not be getting evemail from a Goon saying I have to pay him for protection to mine in HIGH sec space.

Cops do not wait for a bank robber to execute their hostage before storming in to take said robber down. They send in the SWAT team at the first available opportunity. Security guards are there to prevent a crime, not exact retribution after the fact.