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My last rant to CCP

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#61 - 2012-07-03 11:37:19 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun.


Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.

Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.

Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.

People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.

People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.

Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?

To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.







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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-07-03 11:44:41 UTC
VanDam wrote:
On a more serious note, I would question the mental stability of someone who hopes the general Eve population lose their jobs because they lost a few ships on a internet game.


This.

CCP most likely do care, but they're also unlikely to change the mechanics of how things work just to satisfy the few people unwilling to enjoy the game for what it is. I would imagine that they would become a lot less caring after a statement such as that. Being unhappy with something is one thing, being a complete prick is quite another.

I hope you enjoy what ever it is you end up doing after EVE because sadly, EVE wasn't for you.

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Obmud
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-07-03 11:47:20 UTC
Roime wrote:


Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.

Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.

Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.

People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.

People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.

Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?

To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.



Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.

Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00

You should sig that, it will look good on you.
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-07-03 11:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Colonel Xaven
Obmud wrote:
And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox.


Not a must. You can lose your ship instead. U got the choice. Or leave at all. Like OP.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#65 - 2012-07-03 11:53:55 UTC
Obmud wrote:


Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.


Yes, because it was not an attempt to ridicule anything, it was a list of things that some people might not enjoy, and by his logic should then be not forced to do.

Of course he is free to gather herbs all day long if he wants. Just like the Catalyst pilot is free to suicide his ship on the herbivore if he wants. Is this something you disagree with?

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Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2012-07-03 11:57:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Yeah the server population is so great now, it has failed to grow and is lower now than 6 months ago. Yes I know summer ect..but as it has trailed down from the start of hulkagedon and doesn't seem to be going up, I would say this indicates something.

If you view the statistics, you may also notice a rather quiet time on October and November 2011. These months were not the Hulkageddon months, and the population was even lower then than it is now. Summertime is often the quiet time, with many games. What attracts new players (and older players who are having a break) is new content that interests them. To be honest, for some part of the playerbase, Factional Warfare doesn't have much to offer.

Frying Doom wrote:
When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. Big smile

When I ventured to EVE homepage for the first time, I saw this:
http://almaroc.com/wp-content/uploads/eve-is-hard.png

This was last December.
Doesn't that kind of advertise EVE as a social interaction game, too?

Often people who subscribe to play a PvP oriented game expect some PvP out of it. Making the environment of the game too safe for PvE oriented people kind of takes away from those who want to PvP and enjoy EVE as a sandbox. Because that is what EVE is known of, a place where all your actions have consequences and everything is connected together, a place with great combat and awesome battles. There are plenty of other games which provide safe PvE (or safe PvP) environment for their players: why should EVE be like them? One by one these easier games have fallen, yet EVE is still very much alive...

I don't by any means say that people can't play the way they want. They just have to be aware that there are other people, with other playstyles around. Some of the playertypes just want to destroy your ship instead of being all happy friends with you.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#67 - 2012-07-03 12:00:08 UTC
Roime wrote:

Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.

Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.

Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.

People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.

People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.

Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?

To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.


Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.

For example:

Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.

AK

This space for rent.
Obmud
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-07-03 12:02:26 UTC
Roime wrote:
Obmud wrote:


Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.


Yes, because it was not an attempt to ridicule anything, it was a list of things that some people might not enjoy, and by his logic should then be not forced to do.

Of course he is free to gather herbs all day long if he wants. Just like the Catalyst pilot is free to suicide his ship on the herbivore if he wants. Is this something you disagree with?



I didnt say anything against the suiciders. I said something about your flawed logics, which is really really bad. You should be ashamed of it in fact. For details see post of the guy above me.

Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00

You should sig that, it will look good on you.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-07-03 12:03:20 UTC
Roime wrote:
Not everybody is too stupid to adapt, good players have adapted to Hulkageddons before and will continue to do so, and can appreciate a game universe that promotes emergent gameplay.


The popular Hulkageddon survival strategies are docking up or mining in battleships, which work for a limited period of time, but can not truly be considered a permanent solution. It's possible to find a not to populated system an constantly keep an eye on local/overview/scan/etc, and leave the belt when you think something suspect is going on. In the end it's just not worth it, less trouble and less stress to run level 4 missions in a domi.


Roime wrote:
I think hiseccers are blowing the ganking problem greatly out of proportion, it affects a minority, and even fewer of that minority are whiners who make deathwishes to EVE.


I think you are right, i was out mining with a friend most of the weekend, and nothing happened. I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-07-03 12:09:22 UTC
dexington wrote:
I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec.


As you said, mining in a Battleship is possible aswell. So there is no must to mine in an easy prey ship. Yes, you lose reward be decreasing the risk, but OP clearly stated that ISK is nothing important for him.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#71 - 2012-07-03 12:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
AlleyKat wrote:

Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.

For example:

Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.

AK


Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.

And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#72 - 2012-07-03 12:13:07 UTC
dexington wrote:

The popular Hulkageddon survival strategies are docking up or mining in battleships, which work for a limited period of time, but can not truly be considered a permanent solution. It's possible to find a not to populated system an constantly keep an eye on local/overview/scan/etc, and leave the belt when you think something suspect is going on. In the end it's just not worth it, less trouble and less stress to run level 4 missions in a domi.


You don't have to stay in hisec :)

Quote:

I think you are right, i was out mining with a friend most of the weekend, and nothing happened. I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec.


I'm not against increasing base HP of mining barges, but we should also remember that the barges don't fall to gankers by themselves. They are piloted by humans, that can make the ships harder prey.

Or are they piloted? Blink

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Frying Doom
#73 - 2012-07-03 12:22:54 UTC
Elena Melkan wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Yeah the server population is so great now, it has failed to grow and is lower now than 6 months ago. Yes I know summer ect..but as it has trailed down from the start of hulkagedon and doesn't seem to be going up, I would say this indicates something.

If you view the statistics, you may also notice a rather quiet time on October and November 2011. These months were not the Hulkageddon months, and the population was even lower then than it is now. Summertime is often the quiet time, with many games. What attracts new players (and older players who are having a break) is new content that interests them. To be honest, for some part of the playerbase, Factional Warfare doesn't have much to offer.

So you don't think that slide had anything to do with Incarna and the fact that 1 year on we are now actually lower than after the release of that patch, riots ect...
Elena Melkan wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. Big smile

When I ventured to EVE homepage for the first time, I saw this:
http://almaroc.com/wp-content/uploads/eve-is-hard.png

This was last December.
Doesn't that kind of advertise EVE as a social interaction game, too?

Often people who subscribe to play a PvP oriented game expect some PvP out of it. Making the environment of the game too safe for PvE oriented people kind of takes away from those who want to PvP and enjoy EVE as a sandbox. Because that is what EVE is known of, a place where all your actions have consequences and everything is connected together, a place with great combat and awesome battles. There are plenty of other games which provide safe PvE (or safe PvP) environment for their players: why should EVE be like them? One by one these easier games have fallen, yet EVE is still very much alive...

I don't by any means say that people can't play the way they want. They just have to be aware that there are other people, with other playstyles around. Some of the playertypes just want to destroy your ship instead of being all happy friends with you.

So your a new player and you get a glossy add for that now. Yes Hi-sec is now a lot more dangerous and pointless than it has ever been.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-07-03 12:29:25 UTC
Your stuff? ... can I?

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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#75 - 2012-07-03 12:30:47 UTC
Ok... so the OP simply wants to relax and bust up some rocks for distraction from real life. I recommend he starts playing minecraft, it's a nice little mining game..... oh.... I forgot.....creepers..... you get suicide ganked in that game too.

Sorry... can't help you

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-07-03 12:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
Players like OP who want to turn EVE into singleplayer mode full of restrcitions have to go and stay away forever.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#77 - 2012-07-03 12:34:55 UTC
Find a better mining spot.
Frying Doom
#78 - 2012-07-03 12:34:58 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Players like OP who want to turn EVE into singleplayer mode full of restrcitions have to go and stay away forever.

They seem to be doing that. Yay you winLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-07-03 12:35:28 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
I hope EVE dies and you lose your jobs!!!


Please get a ******* life you sad excuse for a human being.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#80 - 2012-07-03 12:36:09 UTC
If only it was the last rant to CCP.

John Hancock