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My last rant to CCP

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Pipa Porto
#41 - 2012-07-03 10:04:06 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
Please do not call ganking miners PvP, its called ganking miners


Player on one side. Player on the other side. Violence in the middle. Sounds like PvP to me.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#42 - 2012-07-03 10:04:20 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
T Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.


I tried to polish my nails the other day while reading the news paper. Now I got nail polish all over my news paper. Oops
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-07-03 10:06:42 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
I have to agree with the op.

He choose to be a miner, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that People are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.


You see, in a sandbox, we do have that right. We are stronger. Yeah, he can play however he wants, but that does not mean we are obligated to let him if we don't want to. If he wants to stop us, he shouldn't whine to ccp, he should try playing the game for once and doing something about it.

Make a mining corp. Mine with others. Get security and intel. PLAY THE GAME.
then why do you solely target miners, you can make more running lvl 4s or doing incursions. You are saying play the game but you target the minority in high sec.

Why dont you reign hell on all the "SafeHighSecPubbies" miners mission Runners, incursions etc. But you didnt you chose the soft option because they dont play the way you want and pat yourself on the back.

It's like watching a mentally ill child pulling legs off a fly.

Pog mo thoin

Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-07-03 10:11:50 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
then why do you solely target miners, you can make more running lvl 4s or doing incursions. You are saying play the game but you target the minority in high sec.

Why dont you reign hell on all the "SafeHighSecPubbies" miners mission Runners, incursions etc. But you didnt you chose the soft option because they dont play the way you want and pat yourself on the back.

It's like watching a mentally ill child pulling legs off a fly.


Love it, change it adapt or leave it.

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#45 - 2012-07-03 10:14:37 UTC
Obmud wrote:

My vocabulary is not extended enough to understand the word pubbies but i agree somewhat with most of what you wrote. My point is, or actually something that's worth discussing is: Should it be possible to mine safely in Highsec, just as it is safe to run Missions ? Or in other words, did CCP intend to make a place where it's perfectly safe to mine ? If not, then you're in most parts right.


If the mission ganker knows what he/ she is doing running missions is as "safe" as mining.
Only difference is that there are more players ganking miners then mission runners, but there are definitely mission partypoopers out there.

Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-07-03 10:16:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Most of their subscriptions come from hi-sec and they will loose these slowly due to player dissatisfaction. I'm not saying I give a crap about hi-sec but a lot of people do. A lot more people care about Hi-sec than will ever give a crap about Null, maybe CCP should get management who know how to manage.

CCP is not really losing players, these lot that come to whine at forums give false impression what is really going on in game. See server population statistics, if you want to.

And it's not really about "not caring about hi-sec". It's about emergent gameplay. EVE is a sandbox and you can't really play this game without being in contact, and in some cases fully dependent, on other players. This is what makes the game fascinating. Surely everyone who start playing EVE should know this, and if they don't... well, that's their fault. EVE is not advertised as a hard game without a reason. Sometimes I don't even get it how people can live in their false imagination that hi-sec is actually 100% safe. It is not the truth. If hi-sec were meant to be 100% safe (and it really is not), CONCORD would strike the attackers immediately. When you undock the station in your Hulk, or whatever ship you fly, you should be prepared to lose it. When you plan your business, you should count the possible loss of your ship in. But, as we have seen, most miners are absolutely too greedy to do this. They want the best possible yield from their ship, so they can make the best possible money. So, when they lose their untanked ship, the most greediest come here, in the forums, to cry about it. They want it to be changed, so they could mine eternally in completely safety and make vast amounts of money.

EVE is one of the last games that is not spoiled by complaining carebears. CCP is doing great work for not spoiling it.
Roime
Yamagata Syndicate
Shadow Cartel
#47 - 2012-07-03 10:20:54 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:
Not defending the OP at all, nor the donkeys who cry on the forums but you assume too much about everybody's ability to forfeit their RL responsibilities for a game:


InternetSpaceship wrote:

Tough ****. That's Eve. Playing solo is inherently more dangerous than playing in a group. Don't want to mine in a way that is going to be much safer? Fine, but don't whine when you get ganked. We are not obligated to allow everyone to play however they want. Don't like it, come get us.


Tough ****. That's Real Life. As MMO players gets older so their obligations increase and their time decreases.

See, once upon a time there was a 500K subs game. It was bugged, servers crashed a lot, content was half made and graphics were absolutely behind the times.

Then one day somebody suddenly realized what I typed above and made the game enjoyable even by those who cannot waste half day in CTAs, farming and so on.
These days that game peaked at 14M subs. A business model that EvE should embrace (without the carebear part).
Else EvE will be the forever "could have been the massive universe but never made to more than 50k stable concurrent players" second class game.

Eve is built for 3M players, just look at how choppy and illiquid the markets are. Because too few are playing.


InternetSpaceship wrote:

So make your own 0.0 alliance and mine there. The ore in null IS far more valuable. This isn't some theory, lots of corps already do this. You just don't hear from them because they are in game mining and not bitching to CCP on the forums because they want to be invulnerable.


Not going to happen. People happen to have a life. "Making" a 0.0 alliance is easy, keeping it running is not. It's horrendously time consuming.


InternetSpaceship wrote:

You said it yourself, nearly everyone hates us. An alliance of those people would absolutely dwarf ours. VFK-IV. Deklein. Come get us.


You wrongly assume people care enough to bother. You need a motivated core of dedicated players with a lot of game knowledge to setup an alliance that would EVER have any hope to run against a Technetium fuelled endless empire.

There's neither motivated people any more nor leadership or charisma people able to aggregate many players under a common objective.

You indeed won EvE because of your efforts but also because all the others who cared quit and nobody are left to try.


Carebear Excuse #2 "I have a real life and others don't" spotted.

Move to wormhole space, it's an environment where much smaller entities can thrive and even have access to ABC ore, and where mining operations can be protected by a very small force and effort.

EVE is not just the black & white of hisec vs sov null, but also endless shades of grey in between.





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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2012-07-03 10:24:13 UTC
Now that is a nice troll.

It's a pretty poor rant, though, because it lacks believability.
Frying Doom
#49 - 2012-07-03 10:44:08 UTC
Elena Melkan wrote:

CCP is not really losing players, these lot that come to whine at forums give false impression what is really going on in game. See server population statistics, if you want to.

Yeah the server population is so great now, it has failed to grow and is lower now than 6 months ago. Yes I know summer ect..but as it has trailed down from the start of hulkagedon and doesn't seem to be going up, I would say this indicates something.

Incarna really stuffed the population for months after it. The population was starting to climb but is sliding again or should we just blame Incarna on summer?

Elena Melkan wrote:
And it's not really about "not caring about hi-sec". It's about emergent gameplay. EVE is a sandbox and you can't really play this game without being in contact, and in some cases fully dependent, on other players. This is what makes the game fascinating. Surely everyone who start playing EVE should know this, and if they don't... well, that's their fault. EVE is not advertised as a hard game without a reason. Sometimes I don't even get it how people can live in their false imagination that hi-sec is actually 100% safe. It is not the truth. If hi-sec were meant to be 100% safe (and it really is not), CONCORD would strike the attackers immediately. When you undock the station in your Hulk, or whatever ship you fly, you should be prepared to lose it. When you plan your business, you should count the possible loss of your ship in. But, as we have seen, most miners are absolutely too greedy to do this. They want the best possible yield from their ship, so they can make the best possible money. So, when they lose their untanked ship, the most greediest come here, in the forums, to cry about it. They want it to be changed, so they could mine eternally in completely safety and make vast amounts of money.

EVE is one of the last games that is not spoiled by complaining carebears. CCP is doing great work for not spoiling it.

Have you ever considered a lot of the playerbase don't give a crap about emergent game play and just want to have a game they can enjoy?
When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-03 10:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Make a mining corp in low or null sec. There, you can preemptively strike without getting concorded. You can set up intel to warn you of threats and a station to dock up in.


This is not really a hi vs low sec problem, it's just possible to "exploit" the design of mining barges. Problem is that you can destroy a expensive ship, risk free with ships you get more or less for free. Mining is not exactly a high profit profession in hi-sec, so why should should it be so risky that the only safe why to do it is in low/null sec with corp support?

Some people only play eve because it's one of the few games where production and trading actually works, and some people like playing virtual business man more the virtual pirate or virtual politician. It's should not be 100% safe to sit in a asteroid belt in hi-sec, but on the other hand pvping in hi-sec should have some consequence, and at the moment it's just way to easy to kill mining barges with no consequence.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Roime
Yamagata Syndicate
Shadow Cartel
#51 - 2012-07-03 10:50:21 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Have you ever considered a lot of the playerbase don't give a crap about emergent game play and just want to have a game they can enjoy?
When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. Big smile


Most players do enjoy the game and appreciate the complex virtual universe full of emergent gameplay, and also like the fact that EVE is satisfyingly hard.

Otherwise they probably wouldn't be playing the game Smile

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Frying Doom
#52 - 2012-07-03 11:09:00 UTC
Roime wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Have you ever considered a lot of the playerbase don't give a crap about emergent game play and just want to have a game they can enjoy?
When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. Big smile


Most players do enjoy the game and appreciate the complex virtual universe full of emergent gameplay, and also like the fact that EVE is satisfyingly hard.

Otherwise they probably wouldn't be playing the game Smile

EvE would be sufficiently hard without other players in it, I cannot think of another game where you end up using so many spreadsheets, unless they made an accountant game.

As to most players enjoy the emergent game play, most players don't know what that is. They enjoy the game some like the pvp from hulkagedon but as the population has always shown a large number don't like getting ganked in hi-sec. Now it's permanent people will leave. You can't just dock up and wait for something permanent to go away.

If you argue look at the server population again and blame summer or Diablo 3, probably one of the biggest disappointments of the 21st Century, so far. Then you can feel happy that so many people love "the complex virtual universe full of emergent gameplay" Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#53 - 2012-07-03 11:26:39 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
I tried everything I could to fight these pirates.

Musashi IV wrote:
Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.



Try harder.

The Tears Must Flow

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#54 - 2012-07-03 11:26:46 UTC
Another example of a player that gets his enjoyment from the game from doing the things gankers lable as boring. He just wants to mine in the "safety" of high in peace. Cowardly risk-free gankers claim yet another awesome addition to their boring killboard.

Does CCP have a view on what the expect high-sec to represent? I personally feel that EvE is not a only PVP game, its far more awesomely complex. Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun. Isn't that why high-sec exists? PVPers have the majority of the galaxy to shoot eachother, but yet they flock to high for those tasty defenceless kills, the tasty risk-free isk, and the tasty carebear tears.

Remove high, or add shiny concord insta-death rays. Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#55 - 2012-07-03 11:29:07 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Another example of a player that gets his enjoyment from the game from doing the things gankers lable as boring. He just wants to mine in the "safety" of high in peace. Cowardly risk-free gankers claim yet another awesome addition to their boring killboard.

Does CCP have a view on what the expect high-sec to represent? I personally feel that EvE is not a only PVP game, its far more awesomely complex. Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun. Isn't that why high-sec exists? PVPers have the majority of the galaxy to shoot eachother, but yet they flock to high for those tasty defenceless kills, the tasty risk-free isk, and the tasty carebear tears.

Remove high, or add shiny concord insta-death rays. Cool


I think you are very confused about what type of game EvE Online is.

The Tears Must Flow

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-07-03 11:29:29 UTC
Take a break dude, calm down and do something else for a couple months. When you'll be back things will be changing, others don't and you'll probably find something else to have fun again.

Whatever, just wish you GL and fun with whatever you're going to do next.

brb

Roime
Yamagata Syndicate
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2012-07-03 11:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
@ Frying Doom, sorry for quote fail

There were 40k+ guys online when I last looked at the login screen, yesterday or Friday, can't remember.

Not bad!

In general you make too many assumptions about your fellow player. Not everybody is too stupid to adapt, good players have adapted to Hulkageddons before and will continue to do so, and can appreciate a game universe that promotes emergent gameplay.

Summer is a real factor affecting player counts, we couldn't care less about events in hisec, but suffer from low activity and erratic login times when guys are enjoying the life outside. Beer, beach, girls, fishing... when it starts raining again, EVE is back on track.

I think hiseccers are blowing the ganking problem greatly out of proportion, it affects a minority, and even fewer of that minority are whiners who make deathwishes to EVE. Most of us are playing, doing all the fun stuff New Eden has to offer instead of banging our heads to the brick wall of getting ganked before dying out of boredom in hisec.

Cool

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Frying Doom
#58 - 2012-07-03 11:31:48 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Another example of a player that gets his enjoyment from the game from doing the things gankers lable as boring. He just wants to mine in the "safety" of high in peace. Cowardly risk-free gankers claim yet another awesome addition to their boring killboard.

Does CCP have a view on what the expect high-sec to represent? I personally feel that EvE is not a only PVP game, its far more awesomely complex. Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun. Isn't that why high-sec exists? PVPers have the majority of the galaxy to shoot eachother, but yet they flock to high for those tasty defenceless kills, the tasty risk-free isk, and the tasty carebear tears.

Remove high, or add shiny concord insta-death rays. Cool

Or just make the cheap gankers wardec their targets, otherwise whats the point of War decs.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#59 - 2012-07-03 11:32:31 UTC
5/10, you had us until you announced how many billions of isk you had while whining about gankers.

People with 250 billion isk don't whine about gankers, they have several accounts, and either mine in a group with lots of logi, or else go do something else, like manipulating the market.
Phugoid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-07-03 11:35:49 UTC
Hmmm, well, sorry ur gonna quit.

I mine alot also, but never afk.
Since you are gonna quit, can I have some of ur stuff/Isks ? What?

Being a fellow miner and all.....

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