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I wonder if Null has lost its character?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2012-06-22 04:35:23 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

It would be fun trying to move all those T3s our of W-space, a few big guys in a high class wormhole would just dominate it, probably. Not like I think some people shouldn't be forced into 3 billion tengu hulls...

As for all T2 ships, that's ... well except the T2 battleships (a JF holds 7) most can be packed pretty decently and made in a station anyway. You'd mostly be annoying people who do all their stuff in highsec, really.


Yeh your right you would have to eliminate the the ability to sell T2 ships and Modules and Components, moon goo in High-sec.
Not really a bad thing it would give Low-sec the serious boost it needs.

YOu want a better ship then T1 then you have to make a run to low-sec, I am really starting to like this idea.

I don't know if you're serious ... or not.

Well, at least 0rphanage can't just camp it since a fleet of rifters might come by or something. Or maybe smartbombing titans will camp the undock instead.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-06-22 04:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I don't know if you're serious ... or not.

Well, at least 0rphanage can't just camp it since a fleet of rifters might come by or something. Or maybe smartbombing titans will camp the undock instead.


Sure I am serious.
We already know the positive side.
It promotes PvP.
Low-sec / Null needed a serious boost and there is no reason why something that is 90 % already supplied from Null to come to High-sec.
It should make the market hubs some rather interesting places.

The bad side ?
Okay it will **** off the people that were currently producing in the comfort of high-sec.
Well now they they will have to adapt. (they can still research in high-sec just can't build them)
Prices might go up, supplies might go down some at least initially.

If anything it will create a lot more regional markets. Which never hurts.

I don't know I can't see anything really bad about this, can you ?
You still have the advantage of big NPC production stations just now they are located in low-sec.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2012-06-22 04:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
There's probably various ways to trade still. Other than station trading.

Contracts. Station trade. Jetcanning (but is pretty risky, sounds just like supercap selling).

Or better yet a sell order of X for Y Isk is packaged as a 1isk reward, Y collateral 1jump courier contract. Or maybe from 1 station to another in the same system. You accept and fail the contract to obtain your item. Will probably be highly scammed, though, watch out for contracts that somehow have 1000 jumps or go to nullsec.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#44 - 2012-06-22 04:57:44 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I don't know if you're serious ... or not.

Well, at least 0rphanage can't just camp it since a fleet of rifters might come by or something. Or maybe smartbombing titans will camp the undock instead.


Sure I am serious.
We already know the positive side.
It promotes PvP.
Low-sec / Null needed a serious boost and there is no reason why something that is 90 % already supplied from Null to come to High-sec.
It should make the market hubs some rather interesting places.

The bad side ?
Okay it will **** off the people that were currently producing in the comfort of high-sec.
Well now they they will have to adapt. (they can still research in high-sec just can't build them)
Prices might go up, supplies might go down some at least initially.

If anything it will create a lot more regional markets. Which never hurts.

I don't know I can't see anything really bad about this, can you ?
You still have the advantage of big NPC production stations just now they are located in low-sec.

Produce T2 stuff, jf it to system one jump out of high sec. High sec bear pods in, buys ship, undocks and warps to gate.

Only thing that gets buffed is a bit of station camping faggotry, for the most part it just kills the t2 market and pisses off every single high sec player.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-06-22 05:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Simi Kusoni wrote:
[quote=Simi Kusoni]
Produce T2 stuff, jf it to system one jump out of high sec. High sec bear pods in, buys ship, undocks and warps to gate.

Only thing that gets buffed is a bit of station camping faggotry, for the most part it just kills the t2 market and pisses off every single high sec player.


I know it is going to **** off high-sec players but how many ships does the average high-sec player blow up in a year ?
NOT MANY.
Lets face it if you said they could produce T2 industrial and T2 mining barges I seriously doubt they would even notice the others.
(not that I am recommending that mind you)

So the majority of ships produced I bet go back to null or low-sec.
The question is how would effect them ?

And also if T2 weren't a dime a dozen people might actually start getting creative again.

And if CCP actually pushed it back to Null then in the end that would mean a Null NPC station would end up as a Hub that would really hurt the T2 market, that I think would be going to far.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-06-22 05:14:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
There's probably various ways to trade still. Other than station trading.

Contracts. Station trade. Jetcanning (but is pretty risky, sounds just like supercap selling).

Or better yet a sell order of X for Y Isk is packaged as a 1isk reward, Y collateral 1jump courier contract. Or maybe from 1 station to another in the same system. You accept and fail the contract to obtain your item. Will probably be highly scammed, though, watch out for contracts that somehow have 1000 jumps or go to nullsec.


Yeh well I never said it should be illegal just not go to jita and buy 500 T2 ahips off the market and haul them to another station for a resale .

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#47 - 2012-06-22 05:18:45 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
There's probably various ways to trade still. Other than station trading.

Contracts. Station trade. Jetcanning (but is pretty risky, sounds just like supercap selling).

Or better yet a sell order of X for Y Isk is packaged as a 1isk reward, Y collateral 1jump courier contract. Or maybe from 1 station to another in the same system. You accept and fail the contract to obtain your item. Will probably be highly scammed, though, watch out for contracts that somehow have 1000 jumps or go to nullsec.


Yeh well I never said it should be illegal just not go to jita and buy 500 T2 ahips off the market and haul them to another station for a resale .

Oh, so it's like the moving faction and deadspace "off contracts" and onto the market, but in reverse.

Cool.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-06-22 05:30:37 UTC
Also keep in mind that I seriously doubt all the ships that are sold in Jita are being produced there.
Which means goods have to come in and out.

And there is a big difference between jumping a freighter in a empty system as compared to one with station camps and 200 players running around looking for quick ISK.

The idea of a central Hub for trading will not be feasable unless you want to control the system.
That could also be rather bad cause it could in the short term crash the T2 market until people broke it up.

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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-06-22 06:25:15 UTC
I really miss the ability to destroy outposts. Big mistake making them UN-destroyable.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-06-22 07:14:41 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Also keep in mind that I seriously doubt all the ships that are sold in Jita are being produced there.
Which means goods have to come in and out.


Not necessarily in Jita itself, but almost certainly within the general area.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#51 - 2012-06-22 07:35:57 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


what is wat ?

Tal



It's that thing near Angkor, in Cambodia

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Signal11th
#52 - 2012-06-22 08:02:30 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Fully destructable stations are an inevitability. There is no need to be upset.



Given the current 0.0 mechanics I can't really see this ever happening. No one is going to risk dropping a station when GSF/PL whomever can just steamroller in and destroy it, then again this might be a valuable idea for the GSF to use as they are the only ones with a resonable chance of saving their stations.

They can destroy everyone elses and when they have finally NAP'ed everyone can charge rent for hangars in stations and reap the rewards. Roll

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-06-22 08:22:43 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
I really miss the ability to destroy outposts. Big mistake making them UN-destroyable.


When were outposts destructible?

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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-06-22 09:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
Remove local from Null. That would be interesting.

Make it harder to gather intel.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-06-22 09:39:37 UTC
Poasting in an "I used to play in nullsec back when it was hardcore but now I dont anymore and want to complain about how nullsec alliances run things" thread.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#56 - 2012-06-22 10:57:52 UTC
I agree with the other goons ( a first? ) stations are not null-sec's problem right now.

Most people refine Ice ( my chosen industry ) in POS's anyway, stations for me is just a place to store my endless piles of crap.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#57 - 2012-06-22 15:23:19 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
I really miss the ability to destroy outposts. Big mistake making them UN-destroyable.


When were outposts destructible?


In Woodcocklandia.

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