EVE General Discussion

you make a good point, limit hisec stations to 1 per system

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our great goal of 'building stations' is complete - there is nowhere to go from here

Because there is no reason to actually live in null when you can just PvP there on your main, and make ISK and manufacture stuff in high sec on your alts?

"nullsec has it easy, they don't have to deal with GATE GUNS or faction police like we do, they only have bubbles, supercaps, hotdrops and the risk of losing access to their assets forever"



your npc corp affiliation means that we have no way of knowing if you actually have experience with anything you're talking about, which brings me to the following:



is this from your personal experience or hearsay? only one alliance that I know of, IRC, regularly cynojams the majority of their systems



this is a result of outpost building for the purpose of providing offices, manufacturing slots (yes, people manufacture in nullsec) and other stuff



is this based on your own observations from the best seat in the house, the veldspar belt?

So what you are describing is a stalemate, the Tech alliances won't leave there money trains and the Renters alliances in the South are Happy earning ISK off the Renters. Meaning nobody has any motivation or need to go anywhere.
So if nothing changes with Tech then you could conclude that nothing will happen come fall.

And that all the mechanics for null are just fine the way they are ?

I don't know I still believe the stations help stabilize Null. People complain about losing everything in Null but you don't really lose everything, it just may not be able to get at it for say YEARS. Sorry I always end up leaving something behind and when I look at my assets on a map it looks like a minefield in Null.

And a lot of alliances dropped more corp offices figuring to force players into one station for refining for taxes and the production stations tended to build small items or even capitals only, and those only with permission.

You are right though Null does need some serious love cause between a station in every other system and the current SOV mechanics, and death stars guarding tech moons and everything other you need a capitals or a rather large fleet the idea of doing anything turns into more of a , maybe tomorrow cause we need more ISK.
otherwise it is a long grind to dig someone who actually wants to stay. The last major war was well a joke for the most part. The North folded so fast you couldn't blink or you would miss it.

Which brings us around to the point of the whole thread. Tech is not the only answer and although it needs work I doubt it will fix null.
What else do you think needs to be done ?
Sense you appear to be the only person who will actually have a discussion in this thread.

The State War Academy have taken and lost so much null sec sovereignty in recent years it would have been difficult for anyone to keep track of assets.

Tech is easily fixed, just switch the resource bottleneck from Technetium to a more widely distributed moon mineral (like the setup pre-Dominion). The problem is that EVE devs don't really know the intricacies of their economy like their players do, so they're very gunshy about trying to fix it. The above solution wasn't mine, it was recommended by Weaselior, who is Goonswarm's own logistics director IIRC.

I've been going on from thread to thread about this because 0.0 seems like a hot topic these days, but I think the next step for 0.0 should be seriously revamping it so that null industry can match or exceed the manufacturing capacity and efficiency of highsec and let it evolve from a bunch of militant resource extraction colonies to true empires.

To do this requires two things, one is making it so that just buying and jumping all your stuff from Jita/Amarr isn't as easy as autopiloting a neutral freighter alt through highsec unmolested, and that means reform of NPC corps, which a lot of people don't like. A lot of peeps would rather be permanently excluded from the 'epic content' zone if it means they can continue to haul 796K m3 23 jumps for a reward of 10M ISK while away from their keyboard.

The other thing that needs to be fixed is going to depend on how the POS revamp that CCP is spending a lot of effort on revamping and how it effects 0.0 industry. If it expands the industrial capacity of non-empire systems to be built up to rival or exceed that of empire space, the changes would be unfathomable, perhaps the majority of players would populate 0.0 out of pursuit of isk and opportunity. Or they could do to the POS system what they did with the inventory system, and maybe 3 months after initial release Two Step will speak on behalf of wormholers and declare the new POSs "useable and we accept your apology Soundwave" and nothing will change. You just can't tell with CCP.

IF 0.0 industry is buffed to parity with highsec industry in terms of potential, and POSs aren't still a big punch in the ****, we can talk about making stations destructible so that we can have developed true "highsec minus CONCORD" societies complete with manufacturers and marketeers plunking away in some alliances' space and other regions whose stations were reduced to husks and ashes, the locals reduced to living in POS spacehuts in savagery. That'd be really my ideal development of nullsec, personally.

It would be fun trying to move all those T3s our of W-space, a few big guys in a high class wormhole would just dominate it, probably. Not like I think some people shouldn't be forced into 3 billion tengu hulls...

As for all T2 ships, that's ... well except the T2 battleships (a JF holds 7) most can be packed pretty decently and made in a station anyway. You'd mostly be annoying people who do all their stuff in highsec, really.

Yes, but I don't think they were intending to do so by brute application of game mechanics that simply forces the required behaviors, by making "better" options impossible.

If they were, they could have done it long ago. Wave magic wand, T2s cannot have production runs in sec status 0.5 and greater.