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I believe the idea is to have ring mining replace moon mining, not belts. After all, not even Chribba has managed to put together a Veldspar Cartel.

Yes they'll be right on it in 2016.

A properly tanked Hulk has enough EHP that it requires 3 Tornados to alpha it, at a cost of 210-270m Isk. Add some RR, to absolutely make Destroyer ganks (the vast majority of ganks) useless, and you need 6 Tornados to kill it, at a cost of some 420-540m Isk. A tanked Hulk is also unprofitable to gank with Catalysts.

The Hulk can tank plenty already.

Claiming otherwise because it can be suicide ganked at all is rediculous. Is a Damnation's tank too low because it's 1m EHP fit (1.7m v Quake) can be ganked? Of course not.

Also, go join a renter corp. No ebil PvPs required, but you do have to support the sov holders in another way.

Kinda a little late to this party, but my 2 cents:



What about a light drone that will only orbit the launching ship, but have a long optimal range like a sentry drone?


At a fanfest a few years ago there was talk about making small RR's have a not-******** range. I mean do small RR's have an on-field use at all? A frig fleet might rep eachother after a fight, or rep your drones or something, but they have zero tactical value. How about one of the frigs have a range bonus on RR's (but not a PG bonus like the T2 logis.) That would make small RR's finally useful in combat.

The schematic for the new mining friggie is just filled with mysteries.

Since I set it as my desktop a couple days ago, I've been looking at the thing frequently and tonight I noticed that there are some oddly named sections of the ship.

What are "mineral compressor units?" There's another spot labled "condensed mineral container." The words "compressor" and "condensed" suggest ore compression. But in a friggie? How much storage will these things have?

For a minute, I was thinking this thing may mine without using its hardpoints. I wouldn't have thought such a thing possible, but in a universe with ore compressing frigates, who knows?

YK

Being full of **** seems to be your strong point.

Tanking a hulk to the eyeballs (aprox 30k EHP with maxed fleet shield bonus) means dropping two MLU's and even then it will be ganked by a pack dessies in high sec without any logistics support.

And with logistics support only the shield portion of the EHP really counts. Making the hulk no better the new mackinaw with does not require a list of prerequisites and far fetched fantasy IFs just to validate its role!.

As it stands, the only thing the hulk is any good at is maximum yield as all costs!
Don't pretend its tank able to the level you describe and then still imply that it is the best miner too!

I kind of had it with your bullshit as I said before and then ignored you, but since almost a week later your still fanatically bullshitting everyone, I decided to put my 2cents in this time. By the way, you can have that last word as your still not really worth discussing with!

30-34k EHP is not a profitable gank for destroyers. If people want to lose money to kill you, congrats, someone likes throwing away money at you. Why'd you **** them off. RR just makes it even less profitable to gank you.

A non-MLU Hulk still mines better than any other ship.

With Logistics, the armor and hull portion absolutely count. If the first volley gets through your shield and pokes into your armor, getting the shields repaired means that there's a good chance the second volley will leave you with some Hull left (which means ye lived, by the way). For Destroyers, RR means an amount of repping that would take 10-15 destroyers to break.

And 30k is not max with fleet bonuses. 30k (omni, it's higher vs kin/therm) is what a well fitted Hulk has solo.

I did the math on all of this in another thread. The 5-6 tornados are required to kill a tanked RRed Hulk because 3 require 2 volleys to kill you, and RR effectively negates their second volley.

Another option, if you don't like RR, is a fast locking Tornado. Shoot Dessies after they GCC but before your tanked Hulk dies. Accept that you might lose to an Alpha gank (but again, those are expensive and your ganker is losing money to kill you).

Since you are making changes to the Mining Barges, why not give us T3 barges or create a sub-capital mining barge the same size as the Orca? I do mine from time to time and I'm not a lazy miner. Why not give us some more expensive mining toys to play with that mine much more and store more ore than a Hulk but give it the same agility as that of the Orca. If anyone is flying one of these in low-sec or null-sec, they will need to constantly scan local. I would say give it about the same defense as an Orca as well however it would have 5-6 High slots for Strip miners with an additional role bonus for each level of the skill set trained. Also give it a bonus to mining laser range as well (may as well). The downside is this would be a flying space pinata for anyone too lazy to pay attention to local.

If you want to go the route of T3 mining barges, I could envision a combat/mining role, you could put a limit on the number of strip miners that the ships could fit (maybe 3-4 depending on subsystems perhaps). However you would also allow them to fit some kind of weapon system depending on the type of sub-system in use. You could also give them the same abilities as existing T3 cruisers. The difference would be that these ships would inherently be slower, have a shorter targeting range as well as a large signature radius like their T1/T2 brethren. These ships would have the ability though to fight and do decent damage on par with perhaps a T2 cruiser (or perhaps even a T1 BC depending on fit). Obviously the more the ship is fit for covert or industrial bonuses, the less fighting/tank ability the ship will have. You could even tie these types of ships with a certain module that would give them a special role such as creating a mini POS bubble that has a certain range.

These ships could step into a true defense role for other barges. What you could do is tie the POS bubble's strength directly to the ship's capacitor. As the mini POS field takes damage, the ship's capacitor drains in relation to the damage of the mini bubble. You could either allow the ship to be helped by remote cap boosters or not. (I'm guessing allowing help could make it unfair). The ship running the POS field would be incapable of warping and would be penalized for movement just as the HICs are when they turn on their bubble. Ships within the POS bubble can only run mining lasers- the field must be shut off in order to for ships within the bubble to engage outside enemies. Not sure what should happen if an enemy ship is within the bubble when it deploys (or maybe make it impossible for the ship to deploy the bubble once combat begins). If a ship warps onto the bubble, it will have the same effect as if they warped into a POS bubble. The ship will simply rebound outside the confines of the bubble.

If you are not going to do something that potentially works because your friends might think you're crazy, then stop complaining. CCP is giving you the tools. If you decide to not use a tool that could potentially make your life easier, than that is your choice.