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So, any plans to overhaul the orca as well? Leave a small corp hanger to hold mining crystals, convert the cargohold and shipmaint bay into orehold space, and leave just enough room to fit ships in a new maintbay?

because of its combination CPU & cargohold?

not like most kestrels have any missile launchers (or any module other than a cyno for that matter) fitted...

Enhance your calm, Citizen Lu. Take deep slow breaths. Clearly I've stumbled into some sort of Jihad, but I'll try to respond. Happy to have an actual conversation if you are.

I fly drakes, other races BCs, among other things. I know the strengths and weaknesses. They are not "easy button" against other ships in its class. Tough to kill if fitted properly, sure. That's it's strength. I don't fly in null blobs, but I would guess whatever you bring a lot of would be effective. Personally I think the perma-MWD drake is a bit crazed, but if you don't care how many you lose, I suppose it works. Heavy tank keeps them alive long enough to have some effectiveness. I don't recommend that outside of like composition fleets. I mostly think that design was primarily meant to get lots of titan blapping kill-mails to waive in front of CCP, by creating easy huge signatured targets.

All of the Tier 2 BCs are pretty decent and more or less on par with the drake. Harbinger a little less then the Drake and Cane. Myrm got nerfed a little hard a ways back, but its still quite serviceable. All the tier 3s are good ships, if you don't mind flying in a glass cannon. (Might consider adding small drone bays to the non gallente Tier 3s, the Talos's drone bay is what makes it solo-able.) I honestly think the Hurricane is every bit as good as the Drake, although with slightly different strengths and weaknesses. Not too many ships can flip from shield to armor like the Cane, very flexible, and who doesn't like projectiles?

All the Tier 1s need some work however (as noted earlier in the thread). They where designed to be inferior and it shows.

So slight buffs to Harby and a mild un-nerf to the Myrm. Much love to the former Tier 1s, serious buffs to put them on par.

This is exactly the pattern used so far when the test frigs where brought roughly on par with the Rifter. As near as I can tell, that's the plan for the rest of the frigs.

As for your question about cruisers, they'll get rebalanced first, so they will likely gain some ground on the BCs before this all happens.

Your suggestion of making them all glass cannons, well damn. Sure lets nerf all ships younger pilots can fly so they die in droves to older more experienced pilots. I am sure that will make EVE grow ever more. It doesn't make sense to you that a ship designer might put a bit more tank on a Battelcruiser than a Cruiser?

Drake is one of the few ships that the Caldari have that work. Caldari are not overpowered though, just check the FW map for confirmation. No one says roll Caldari if you want to own the battlefield *cough*winmatar*cough*. They have a slight edge in PVE, but that's doable in any race.

TL;DR: Stay Calm. Drake not OP.

Should one lose a frigate to get a new destroyer?

Chop off a foot to get another hand?

Players in quick ships move quickly. They interact with others more frequently. This is good for the quality of pgc.

I'd like to see frigates made even more useful. Ninja everything.

So, I'm hoping the ways to interact quickly and in groups will continue unabated without losing too many options.

I have to admit that the way the barge ore bays will affect afk mining will probably be beneficial to pgc too. I'm less sure a cap reduction will translate as enhanced gameplay to solo industrialists for whom their routine has been routine for years. That should be interesting. Even though barge roles give players more options to evade, it's still going to force all of them, no matter what they're flying, to look at their screens more while incentivizing group ops. That's a cruise missile of benefit to pgc.

But the overall effect is so dynamic that I doubt even CCP is sure of what's going to happen. Ragequits? Will bottom-liners take a yield penalty for more ehp? (Maybe.) Will they continue on in Hulks maximizing efficiency? (Some. But how many?)

Will gankers have to start ganking Macks/Retrievers when they realize players have no sympathy for high-sec Hulk kills anymore? (Oh no.) Will high-sec Hulk kills become so common that their use in high-sec is effectively depressed? (RIP Baby-gurl.)

No one knows. That's why this game is awesome.

I can only predict the forums will be busy for the foreseeable future.

Yonis Kador

There are no rigs that improve your yield.

Yes. Just like everyone else.

…aside from the fact that the Hulk is already able to defend itself quite well, and with some group support backing it up, it's pretty darn difficult to kill (unless you want to expend a huge amount of ISK or manpower on the kill). Doing so will make the ganker move on to an easier target.

They're not forcing you. They're giving you tools that match a specific job. Whether you choose to use those tools for that job, or whether you pick some other tools, or use the tools for a completely different job, is still entirely up to you. That's what makes it a sandbox. They provide tools — you use them to build.

Well, they're encouraging group play by making sure that, to get the best yield, you have to use the ship that requires a group to shine. That sounds very non-broken to me.

it's good to see new and exciting balances on the frigates, where there's more viable frigates than the rifter.

perhaps the developers have they're mind already set in things they want to develop and the bonus they want to give to frigates, but i would like to point out some things and why :

i think that we could make good use of Logistic frigates.

there are plenty of situations that i remember they could be useful.

1) - LVL 1 - 2 missions
- granted a frigate / cruiser with a good tank could cover not needing logi, but it would still be nice.

2) - complexes that only allow frigates

3) - Frigate Roaming gangs
yes scimitars are better, but frigates warp at 6 A.U instead of the scimitar 3.75 A.U. , so it would confere more mobility to a frigate roaming gang, at expense of less tank.

those frigates would be able to fit 4 small / or 2 medium repair / cap transference modules

4) some deadspace logistic modules need a rebalance (less cap activation use), as they spend an insane cap amount, to be of any use to a frigate. (remote armour / shield / capacitor transference) - they use 90 - 120 capacitor compared with the T2 version that uses around 50-60


this is just an idea on how to give some sense to a poorly used section of frigates and modules that seem to have no role or purpose, and could make small roaming gangs more fun and cheap, as well as providing a step on logistics career.

I like the idea of changing the barges. I also like expanding O.R.E's ship line to include frigs. Hopefully this means we'll see O.R.E. cruisers soon and maybe even one day BCs. BSs and cap ships all with mining bonuses lol.

As far as the Destroyers are concerned I find the Coercer to be by far the best for PvE. It is an awesome ship for running level 1 and 2 missions. When you say the Thrasher and Catalyst are preferred I think that is only for PvP.

In general I find most of the non-O.R.E. changes sound like homogenization of the races which I believe will lead to a dumbing down of Eve and a removing of much of the variety that makes the game interesting.

Most of these changes sound like a poorly thought out plan. I am having PTSD flashbacks to WoW balancing. You need to keep in mind that anyone can train to fly any ship and therefore it is impossible for any ship to be overpowered in this game due to the fact that if it is everyone could just fly it and therefore all are equal.

Keep in mind that there are different play styles. Some are more popular than others. But if you eliminate the less popular ones and move more towards the popular ones then I think the game as a whole will suffer.

For example a lot of players like the style of PvP that the Minmatar ships specialize in which is hard, fast, in-your-face, DPS race type of brawling. Therefore the Minmatar ships get chosen more often for PvP. However that does not mean that someone can not win in a ECM bonused ship like the Griffin just to show one alternative. If however you give every race: a brawler and a drone boat and sniping boat, that will not add to the diversity of Eve it will take away from it. Instead of seeing **** tons of rifters in PvP we will see a **** ton of the rifter equivalent in each race and therefore PvP will change in the look of the ship only and the cost will be an extreme homoginization of play style or worse and elimination of certain play styles.

Yes u are wrong. But You can fly with the most used cyno kestrel.
And check Crow too ? That was the most favored interceptor. But now ? It's name is "forget it" use better.

Look at what they mentioned for the Mackinaw/Retriever. And how it's a massive buff for the people you're talking about.