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Nice devblog

One thing though. I am not sure if this has been touched before, but what do you think about the building costs.

Talking about frigates, I really don´t think most people care about how much they are. However, currently we still have this tiercide thing and the different building costs make sense. On the other side, if you throwing away tiercide and revamp all the ships, I think it´s worth looking at the building cost and the skill requirements.

Looking at the barges, Procurer 2M / Retriever: 8M / Covetor 30M; Right now, this all makes sense thus the Covetor has a higher tier than the procurer, much more EHP ...

But does this still makes sense if the procurer/skiff are going to be battleship like EHP - monsters?

Even if people still don't care about the building cost of mining barges, I guess they will if you are going to touch battlecruiser and battleships.

Talking about mining barges, I really would like to see that the building costs of all barges will be in line with the new roles they are made for

Tyburn

Maybe, but i dont know why need 6 months long time to change just few data. (to winter patch)
They have ship editor tools and the testing phase not need 6 months.

Next Alliance tournament will be a....

Mining tournament

did you ever consider they might change the production costs as part of the revamp?

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as for the persistent "you cannot fit tank on that! it is a mining ship! that makes no sense!" - that is a stupid argument. the people who designed the ship can do whatever the frakking hell they want. they could make an 8 hardpoint mining battleship with huge EHP, 4 strips and 4 turret hardpoints with hulk and maurader bonuses.

not that they should. but they could.

ORE could design a Mining Dreadnaught if they wanted... and then Chribba would buy it and name it the Veldnaught II ...

Sure, but as far as I know, they didn't change the production cost of the frigates they've already revamped. That's why (by my count) 4 of us have brought up the issue in this thread. We're looking for some acknowledgment from CCP either that they're aware that there is something there that needs to be addressed, or that they're not planning on addressing it and we're just going to have to live with it.

I Very much like the ideas for mining barges/exhumers but I think the proposals are the wrong way of doing it.

Mining Frigate is a great idea. mining barge is cruiser class dedicated mining ship so I see no reason why there shouldn't be a frigate sized equivalent. Or, for that matter as battleship class 0.0 only equivalent. But rather than try and manipulate the current barges I'd do the following.

Reduce the volume of mining crystals by at least 75%, preferably 90%

1. Add mining frigate with 150 to 200m3 cargo hold, 2000 to 4000m3 ore hold and 0 to 25m3 drone bay and only able to deploy mining drones.

2. Remove all exhumers from the game.

3. Remove Procurer and and Retriever from the game.

4. change skill requirements as per Dev Blog for the Covetor

5. Give Covetor 300m3 to 450m3 cargo hold, 13,000m3 ore hold, and 25 to 50m3 drone bay only able to deploy mining drones.

6. Create T2 varients of the Covetor in a similar way to the Transport Ship T2 varients i.e. one small sig, small capacity, Cov-Op capable and one Hi tank, WCS boosted, larger ore capacity varient. Both capable of deploying combat drones.

EDIT: OK, re-reading it ore hold sizes maybe a bit on the large side and possibly all should be able to use combat drones but I standby the rest of it

CCP do you plan remodeling existed mining barge ships models ? This new minining frigate looks like great robust mining space-craft i can compare this look and design to CAT Products style how about remodedeling barges with same design like this new frigate look ?

either

a) art department is just making **** up like they do for lore reasons on other ship loadout art
b) they're thinking of doing away with the refining step and having you just suck the refined minerals directly off the roid (possibly with yield affected by your refining skills?)
c) all of the above

While I thank you for your input:

a) That's very helpful (although I will also say probably the truth)

b) While refining in place might be considered useful, and it would imply working with minerals, its hardly mineral compression

Where we come from mineral compression utilizes manufacturing certain items to achieve mineral compression. So are you suggesting that not just refining happens on the fly, but manufacturing as well?

That's quite the industrial ship.

What I would like to know is how do any of these changes improve mining ops in hi sec? No matter how much protection is in place in the op the ganker still gets the first shot and a mining ship optimised for mining can't tank it. So basically we have status quo - no matter how well organised your op is in high sec miners still have to run like little girls every time a lone dessy shows up on d-scan.

Broken game-play is still broken so gj CCP