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The problem with tritanium availability in nullsec isn't the size of the ship being used to mine this mysterious veldspar.

make it 700m3 .. that gives room for 12 crystals + ones in strip miners + a little extra room for other stuff (like it not to tell you that your cargo bay is full when you swap crystals) and a 10k ore bay

something like

skiff - 20k ore bay, 500 cargo, +2 warp strength
mack - 30k ore bay, 1k cargo
hulk - 10k ore bay, 700 cargo


as for the catalyst.. you did read the dev blog right? it's going to take more than a cata to suicide gank them soon.

READ THE ******* DEV BLOG. ffs

well, seems nice that you guys are improving the game ships - that's the sort of stuff that adds game value.

often we see ships that are lacking in some area, and continue playing the game, because it promises a lot, we continue, on hopes that you , the game developer make sensible adjustments that will make worth for us the pilot to say : "this is a nice ship that i feel nice in steeping in and fly"

but it seems that time is now. finally you're making balances ! i like those useless frigates to have better skills and roles.


The amarr Destroyer "Coercer" still needs a 2nd midle slot, for a tackle point, and a improvement on dps, instead of the cap usage.



GREATH JOB ! KEEP IT UP !!!

Hey devs, quick question -since you're buffing the t1 ewar frigs, will you be altering the underused T2 ewar frigs so that they're in line with their t1 counterparts?

The blog gave no numbers as to how much they plan on buffing yield. I'm pointing out it better be a good buff, one that improves the Procurer's ability to mine to above that of a Rokh.

Good read. It's pretty exciting to get a sense of where rebalancing is headed.

A few thoughts:

Heavy Payload Delivery -

RE: Amarr ships:

Executioner - It makes sense to move the Executioner to a "fast interception role." Of the Amarr frigates, the Executioner's speed is arguably its most important asset. Ive used one with a mwd virtually every time I was forced to do that rescue the diplomat mission and its usually the go-to when I don't have an INS handy for distance travel. But wouldn't it then make sense to have it's bonuses more in line with interdictors? A mwd bonus or warp speed bonus maybe?

Magnate - I've got lots of opinions on the role Exploration plays in game currently, how challenging it is to new players, and how exploration is the first thing many of those players arrive here wanting to do, which we should encourage, so I think any boosts you give to scanning, incentivizing that profession on principle, will almost without exception be welcome.

Crucifier - I'm not so sure exchanging one useless bonus for another is all that great here. A drone bonus for a ship with only one drone? If you're going to give the Crucifier a drone bonus, signaling it's a drone ship, at least give her two drones.

Barge in on Me -

Segmenting the mining profession into role-specific ships as opposed to a graduated system, is an interesting development but it doesn't change a whole lot in the grand scheme of things imo. I'm not completely convinced that what it does change is necessarily beneficial.

If we accept that risk-aversion is one consequence of ship design that precludes engagement, of which evasion is the primary and usually best defense, evasion that cannot be great for the quality of overall player generated content in EvE, then this just gives players more ways to evade. It may increase industrial player satisfaction, but it will probably also increase aversion in game and thus negatively impact the quality of player generated content.

On the whole, increasing player options is always a good thing for the player, irrespective of whether it's good for the game. It's difficult to predict how changes to aversion will play out in the sandbox. Time will tell. Make it too tough to gank and the less-devoted may give up entirely. Make it too easy to evade and half the playerbase becomes pariahas and contribute minimally to the volume of player generated content.

I'd like to see more ways to engage period. It's nice that miners will now have frigs that can be used for combat, and they look great btw, love em, but I'd like to see us keep going down that path. Arm those suckers. Reduce the designed tactical avoidance and increase the opportunities for engagement. I wouldn't mind seeing a mining support cruiser with one strip mining slot and two turret hardpoints.

I guess my thoughts overall are if the ehp on the Hulk isn't going to be adjusted, and Hulks are already popped like popcorn all across New Eden, these changes may incentivize miners to fly less expensive ships somewhat, but they also give gankers targets in less expensive ships to shoot at (which means less-valued killmail prizes.) How all of this translates to the quality of player generated content remains to be seen. It may reduce risk-aversion somewhat in game as some miners will be piloting less expensive ships now and may be more willing to risk them, but the overreaching issue of their necessary avoidance to survive still hasn't changed.

EDIT: Of course, if the ore bay changes and specializations are too much for the industrialists to take and they mass unsub, well I guess that would in fact remove quite a bit of aversion from the game. Hadn't thought of that. - YK

EDIT2: If the industrial changes successfuly limit afk mining, that would also reduce aversion too. So it's quite the dynamic situation. The same changes have the potential to both increase and reduce aversion. I'm curious to see how it plays out.

Gas Harvesting Ship?

I've seen a few requests for one and the game has needed a dedicated gas mining vessel for a long time. I'd like to see CCP go all out on this. Just go nuts. Give us something unexpected and out of the box. Archaeologists can discover an ancient Jove storage unit and in it they find a gas miner that looks like the crystalline entity with a cockpit, that absorbs gas through its spiny tendrils, and forces its operator to play a damage control game while they are parked inside the cloud receiving gas cloud damage.

Blow us away.

Yonis Kador

That would work only with Miner IIs. Not with Deep Core Miner IIs and T2 crystals.

much love for finally looking at our mining ships!

and it always amazes me when people put anything but tank rigs on their hulks but ah well to each their own so it wont bother me if cargo rigs wont work anymore. Its why the orca is there after all and since I never afk mine... no biggie moving ore.

Since there's an excess of t1 frigate hulls, why can't we have a cloaky ewar frigate and a ganky ewar frigate? Or a frigate sized logi?