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So you have to empty the hold a bit more. These things are ment to be used in goups you know. Worst case is you just warp to the station and back a bit more but then again, a smart miners fits a tank and does this anyway. If you want a massive hold then use a retriver/mack.

So you have to empty the hold a bit more. These things are ment to be used in goups you know. Worst case is you just warp to the station and back a bit more but then again, a smart miners fits a tank and does this anyway. If you want a massive hold then use a retriver/mack.

No, they are meant to be used as I like. In this case, I usualy mine alone. Anyways, mining in groups doesnt change the problem I am pointing out. you have to empty the ore much more often if this change goes thru. Mining in a big group only changes it from 1 guy emptying a bay more often, to a group of miners emptying bays more often.

Yes, please do. What does it say about its new cargo hold?

Nothing. It says that the ore bay will have the same size as its current cargo hold. What the new cargo hold size will be isn't mentioned, and leaving it the same size as it is right now, with the same kind of expansion capabilities it has, breaks the design philosophy mentioned earlier about not letting them compete with industrials.

So, new ore bay = old cargo hold; new cargo hold = who knows, probably enough space for a couple of crystals.

What nerf? It's a role change. Hell, it's not really even that — it's a role clarification.

So if I want to semi-afk mine ore in highsec, I have to use a mackinaw now. and its my problem? mining ore in a mackinaw? that just seems pants on head ********.

also I can mine in a cargo expanded hulk and not be called stupid. Thanks guys... I know gankers exist. My problem, not yours. If i want more lasers cycles before I have to empty the hold, why shouldn't I still be able to fit for that?

There is a lot of reading fail in this thread, and a lot of misinformation on how things work.


They started with frigates because there are the most of them, and they have to start from the ground up to set the power and ability levels. If you rebalance a drake now, but then buff the frigates and cruisers later, you then have to go back and re-rebalance the drake so that it fits nicely in line with the changes.

Yes, We are impatient and want the ships we fly most often new and shiny. But that doesn't exactly work out well.

Also, It isn't just rebalancing. The roles defined by frigates will be reflected in new ships in other hull sizes. Look to see new support battleships, and other T2 variants down the line.

Also, Ship balance team is not all of CCP. Ship balance doesn't work on artwork, doesn't work on UI stuff, doesn't work on modules and balance within. Just because the tiercide changes are taking a while, doesn't mean you won't see other updates in the mean time. I.e. Inferno saw new frigate changes, and a whole crap ton of other gameplay changes as well.


That said, onto the dev blog:

The current changes to the mining barges is not a final list, They said they would look at barge EHP, stop whining about the gankability of Hulks, when they have already said they will address it. You're just shouting at the people who are giving you want you want and making yourself look bad for failing to read.

I like it. With the exception to the idea of every racing having drone boats. This is a gallente weapon predominantly, and should be stuck on amarr/gallente ships near exclusively. Give us SOME reason to fly gal for once. Racial homoginization is bad, and drones are very much a gallente racial characteristic. Drone bays on some ships are fine, just make sure that the Gallente version has a better bay/better bandwidth.