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Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#721 - 2012-06-01 11:09:32 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Further proof that Frying Doom's crusade to "improve" a region he doesn't even live in is nothing more than a vendetta.

Yes CCP, punish the goons. Take our stuff away. Make us live in gimped wormholes and force us to turn the wheel on some "patrol" mechanism to maintain our sov. Frying Doom assures of that it will just work itself out and be awesome somehow.

Perhaps for him Goons are something that magically popped out from wizard's hat and started existing and being successful alliance. It's just impossible idea that there would be people who have worked hard to keep it together and working. Roll
Frying Doom
#722 - 2012-06-01 11:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Elena Melkan wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Further proof that Frying Doom's crusade to "improve" a region he doesn't even live in is nothing more than a vendetta.

Yes CCP, punish the goons. Take our stuff away. Make us live in gimped wormholes and force us to turn the wheel on some "patrol" mechanism to maintain our sov. Frying Doom assures of that it will just work itself out and be awesome somehow.

Perhaps for him Goons are something that magically popped out from wizard's hat and started existing and being successful alliance. It's just impossible idea that there would be people who have worked hard to keep it together and working. Roll

Actually if you haven't read
http://www.tentonhammer.com/features/mittani
You should they are a great read especially the parts on propaganda and meta gaming there are some really good ideas in there. Also the alliance panels pre-2010 are also packed full of information.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#723 - 2012-06-01 12:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
EVE is a sandbox and a sandbox is about choice. Let's avoid overcomplicating the process to a better game and leave people with choices. How about allowing those who wish to remain in local to do so and those who wish to opt out to do so. I mean it's not meant to be a free intelligence channel right? Sounds like a compromise. If you wish to display power you could and if you wished to remain hidden from power you could as well. Its win/win.

You wouldn't want to continue forcing a playstyle upon me would you?
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#724 - 2012-06-01 12:08:01 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You would have to work to locate a target.


That might work if you removed all default warp points for asteroid belts from the system menu. At the same time, make asteroid belts scanable via core probes. Otherwise, if you just remove local, it gives everyone the equivalent of a cloaking device until they're practically on top of you.


NOT if we change the EVE UI to extend your ships sensor ranges.

Remove local AND make the graphical interface of EVE zoom all the way out to solar system level, and each ship has a viewing range of anywhere from a couple hundred or thousand KM, to a couple AU.

^^^^real spaceship sh*t

The UI update we deserve
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#725 - 2012-06-01 12:28:28 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
EVE is a sandbox and a sandbox is about choice. Let's avoid overcomplicating the process to a better game and leave people with choices. How about allowing those who wish to remain in local to do so and those who wish to opt out to do so. I mean it's not meant to be a free intelligence channel right? Sounds like a compromise. If you wish to display power you could and if you wished to remain hidden from power you could as well. Its win/win.

You wouldn't want to continue forcing a playstyle upon me me would you?


Such a good idea.

The UI update we deserve
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#726 - 2012-06-01 12:31:36 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
EVE is a sandbox and a sandbox is about choice. Let's avoid overcomplicating the process to a better game and leave people with choices. How about allowing those who wish to remain in local to do so and those who wish to opt out to do so. I mean it's not meant to be a free intelligence channel right? Sounds like a compromise. If you wish to display power you could and if you wished to remain hidden from power you could as well. Its win/win.

You wouldn't want to continue forcing a playstyle upon me would you?

I'm sure you wouldn't ever abuse the fact that by removing yourself from local you've cut the possible response time from 15-30 seconds to 4, right?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#727 - 2012-06-01 12:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Its not abuse. Abuse is what's being done with local as it is. And with that being said im not even considering your timing argument as proof or even factual. Bottom line you feel entitled to keep unlimited tabs on my character when the game says otherwise. Why did we get rid of faction standings being publically displayed again?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#728 - 2012-06-01 12:36:43 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Its not abuse. Abuse is what's being done with local as it is.

I'd call it "game balance".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#729 - 2012-06-01 12:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Lord Zim wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Its not abuse. Abuse is what's being done with local as it is.

I'd call it "game balance".

Not its not. Its called listening to a bunch of people who want to play EVE but never be forced to take a risk. Whoever declared that balanced needs to be fired as an absolute incompetent. We know your opinion Zim. Double digit sh!tpoasts throughout the thread.

Define how making the entire scouting profession a complete waste of time so that you can avoid any risk whatsoever in a game designed as nonconsensual pvp focused is balanced. You can't. The most you can do is declare it.

Spreading syrup on sh!it doesn't make it pancakes.
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#730 - 2012-06-01 12:44:35 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Define how making the entire scouting profession a complete waste of time so that you can avoid any risk whatsoever in a game designed as nonsensual pvp focused is balanced. You can't. The most you can do is declare it.


Personally, I perfer sensual pvp myself. At least it calls you the next day.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#731 - 2012-06-01 12:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
The trick is to throw in a editing error every so often and the lemmings will keep your idea plastered on the front page. I actually like your post i'm just saying in general. =)

One guy sifted through the thread looking for errors and found one with nonconsensual I had spelling it with a T. Ironically no one else noticed it because the root word is consent. But having a lack of ideas doesn't help in creating a page length rant so you have to find filler.

Consentual says the same thing as consensual though its accepted as the latter. Though in essense all words are made up so it's not necessarily incorrect as long as the idea is expressed in a way most can understand. It's like Brits jonesing on American English because it doesn't follow the Queen's decree.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#732 - 2012-06-01 12:52:22 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Its not abuse. Abuse is what's being done with local as it is.

I'd call it "game balance".

Not its not. Its called listening to a bunch of people who want to play EVE but never be forced to take a risk. Whoever declared that balanced needs to be fired as an absolute incompetent. We know your opinion Zim. Double digit sh!tpoasts throughout the thread.

Having 4-6 seconds to respond at a random point in time over a playsession of, say, 8 hours, isn't risk, that's certainty. The only one not wanting to take a risk is the one who wants the current system changed to this, since that would dramatically cut down his risk, and after an interestingly short time he'll be back bitching and moaning about lack of targets because most people moved back to hisec to do L4s instead of staying in nullsec/lowsec. The only thing that'd be left would be PVPers who had a hisec L4 alt (or similar) for moneymaking.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#733 - 2012-06-01 12:55:59 UTC
Okay we've heard your opinion I don't want to block you and I won't but i'm not interested in having a back and forth.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#734 - 2012-06-01 13:01:46 UTC
Hey, all I'm saying is that if what you want out of nullsec is a place where PVPers go to do SOV war or shoot eachother's moons, then log out and go play on their L4s in hisec (leaving nullsec a complete desert devoid of life), then go ahead and remove local.

If, however, you absolutely want to add risk to nullsec, then work on making the sov system harder to defend, and stations go boom.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#735 - 2012-06-01 13:11:08 UTC
Guys...

Lord Zim...

risk, no risk, balance... whatever, all that is secondary.

The fact is, Local is stupid and juvenile. As soon as you enter a solar system... you see every other ship listed there for you?

Please... WORST. gameplay. mechanic. ever.

It sucks, change it. Period.

The UI update we deserve
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#736 - 2012-06-01 13:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Wibla
How is local stupid or juvenile?

Just curious, if you feel that living in space with local chat is so stupid and juvenile, maybe you should go join a WH corp instead of being in TNT?
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#737 - 2012-06-01 13:33:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Lord Zim wrote:
Hey, all I'm saying is that if what you want out of nullsec is a place where PVPers go to do SOV war or shoot eachother's moons, then log out and go play on their L4s in hisec (leaving nullsec a complete desert devoid of life), then go ahead and remove local.

If, however, you absolutely want to add risk to nullsec, then work on making the sov system harder to defend, and stations go boom.


Zim, F#CK NULL. I don't care about null or its mechanics. What I care about is EVE and the tedium that is camping for a kill. I dont mind work, risk or failure. What I mind is being willing to work, take a risk and accept failure and nothing about being so changes that to kill anyone in particular requires the target to be braindead and me to be enthralled with the tedium of sitting at a gate because stealth is impossible.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#738 - 2012-06-01 15:51:33 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Zim, F#CK NULL. I don't care about null or its mechanics.

Don't worry, that's been apparent for a very, very long time. Only, you should include lowsec and hisec to that list as well.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#739 - 2012-06-01 16:27:17 UTC
I support the removal of local.

I also recommend a modification to current sensor use, as described in this linked thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112964&find=unread

Local has been a block to make cloaking diminished, which would be released from this in it's absence.

Some means of hunting cloaks may be viable if local goes away.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#740 - 2012-06-01 16:36:34 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Having 4-6 seconds to respond at a random point in time over a playsession of, say, 8 hours, isn't risk, that's certainty. The only one not wanting to take a risk is the one who wants the current system changed to this, since that would dramatically cut down his risk, and after an interestingly short time he'll be back bitching and moaning about lack of targets because most people moved back to hisec to do L4s instead of staying in nullsec/lowsec. The only thing that'd be left would be PVPers who had a hisec L4 alt (or similar) for moneymaking.


That's not even the risk the average ice miner runs every hour, every day.

They are stuck in totally rare and very easy to reach few system know to everybody, always have 80+ in local and the same systems are also missioning systems (so forget them being "tranquil" systems) and are stuck at a nicely visible belt everybody see on their overview.

Unlike you, they have a Mackinaw loltank, a sitting duck ship that takes ages to align and 5 drones as only defense.
8500 of them (along with others) died in 1 month.

How many 0.0 PvE ships died in 1 month again?

How many other "hard core, for hardened, skilled men" MMOs have an immediate mode local chat? Zero? One?

CCP should just make D-Scan a regular radar like every sim game past 1980 got and have players rely on it. End of AFK anything. 4-6 seconds too little? Welcome to EvE.

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