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Hulkageddon made me quit

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qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#141 - 2012-05-03 19:41:29 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Holy ****..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194
You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders.
1 T1 Inv.field
1 T1 no-named Small shield booster.
2 cargo rigs
2 Expanded Cargo Holds?

No wonder you exploded?
WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit?
WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs?
WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders?
And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#142 - 2012-05-03 19:50:45 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit.

If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums. Cool



TBH, it's the industrialists own damn fault that combat ships are so cheap...


Have you even checked the prices of combat ships lately?? A feckin Hurricane was selling on average in Jita for 48mil. Twice the price it was several months ago. Prices of minerals and speculation are most to blame. Next time you feel like opening your mouth, just don't. It makes you look like a complete moron.



Yup, the mineral prices are finally returning to a more "normal" price (though trit is quite high), and thus the ships are following.

As for the "market" ... meh, gets too expensive once you start to consider hauling and fuel costs. It's just easier to build stuff where I need it.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#143 - 2012-05-03 19:55:41 UTC
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Holy ****..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194
You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders.
1 T1 Inv.field
1 T1 no-named Small shield booster.
2 cargo rigs
2 Expanded Cargo Holds?

No wonder you exploded?
WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit?
WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs?
WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders?
And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving?


YEAH!

WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?!
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#144 - 2012-05-03 19:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Holy ****..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194
You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders.
1 T1 Inv.field
1 T1 no-named Small shield booster.
2 cargo rigs
2 Expanded Cargo Holds?

No wonder you exploded?
WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit?
WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs?
WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders?
And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving?


YEAH!

WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?!


T2 modules, while not as cheap as T1, would've been much cheaper than the cost of losing his Hulk could've very well prevented the gank, even if just by a small margin.

But by your logic, I shouldn't even tank my combat PVP ships, because it'll just give my enemies moar to loot! lulz.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#145 - 2012-05-03 20:04:36 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

YEAH!

WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?!

you're so poor you actually consider a dcII expensive loot

god man maybe i'll throw you a million isk or so when i get home that's bad even for a worthless highsec peasant

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#146 - 2012-05-03 20:13:35 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


Holy ****..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194
You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders.
1 T1 Inv.field
1 T1 no-named Small shield booster.
2 cargo rigs
2 Expanded Cargo Holds?

No wonder you exploded?
WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit?
WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs?
WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders?
And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving?


YEAH!

WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?!


T2 modules, while not as cheap as T1, would've been much cheaper than the cost of losing his Hulk could've very well prevented the gank, even if just by a small margin.

But by your logic, I shouldn't even tank my combat PVP ships, because it'll just give my enemies moar to loot! lulz.


PvP =/= Hulkageddon. You're trying to troll but just making yourself look ignorant.

You tank a PvP ship to survive longer in order to deal damage.

A mining ship has no chance of destroying gankers (at least not before CONCORD arrives) so there's no point in tanking it. If they want you dead you will die. Even the most hardtanked Hulk will fall to 4 blasterboats. T2 modules will just increase the amount of ISK you lose will providing the gankers with more ISK per gank.

This is exactly why you guys are trying to encourage miners to fit tanks.

Instead, miners should fit the cheapest Covetors they can. T1 lasers, no modules except survey scanner, and just dock when gankboats appear on D-Scan.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#147 - 2012-05-03 20:19:32 UTC
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.


You aren't alone, we had 14 in our alliance cancel. They say they will come back in a month or two, but we will see. Screw CCP for allowing these ***pirates to gank and for making such a poorly designed mining ship.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#148 - 2012-05-03 20:27:43 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

A mining ship has no chance of destroying gankers (at least not before CONCORD arrives) so there's no point in tanking it. If they want you dead you will die.

my pathetically impoverished friend, allow me to clue you in: by surviving until concord arrives, you destroy the ganker

if you fit a proper tank, you survive and the ganker dies

i hope this has been helpful to you in explaining the value of a tank

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Fendre
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-05-03 20:38:31 UTC
And now for something completely different:

I got to this thread because today i got my retriever blown up in a suicide gank and i dont understand it.

I truly wonder why someone wants to waste a destroyer class ship to concord in order to blow up my mining ship? What is the fun in that?

That ship with the strip miners and things cost me about 13 m isk. I can afford that easily. No problem. I wont lose a moment of sleep over it. In fact, i have already replaced it.
I just didnt expect it., because i dont see the point why anyone wants to destroy his own ship in order to blow up mine. Just like that. Nothing more.

As there are so many childish people posting here, this seems to be the good place to ask why you are doing this.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#150 - 2012-05-03 20:39:49 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

A mining ship has no chance of destroying gankers (at least not before CONCORD arrives) so there's no point in tanking it. If they want you dead you will die.

my pathetically impoverished friend, allow me to clue you in: by surviving until concord arrives, you destroy the ganker

if you fit a proper tank, you survive and the ganker dies

i hope this has been helpful to you in explaining the value of a tank


I don't generally bother arguing with Gewns (I can remote rep shields but I can't fix Gewnstupid), but I'll nibble:

If Orca's, which have more base HP than a Hulk's tanked HP are being destroyed, then tanking becomes irrelevant because all it takes is just an extra 1 or 2 blasterboats and you're dead.

I hope this has been helpful to you in explaining why tanking mining barges is dumb.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#151 - 2012-05-03 20:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

I don't generally bother arguing with Gewns (I can remote rep shields but I can't fix Gewnstupid), but I'll nibble:

If Orca's, which have more base HP than a Hulk's tanked HP are being destroyed, then tanking becomes irrelevant because all it takes is just an extra 1 or 2 blasterboats and you're dead.

I hope this has been helpful to you in explaining why tanking mining barges is dumb.

i can't tell if you're actually this dumb or if you're trolling, but given you're history i'm leaning towards the former

if you are harder to gank you will be ganked less often

now granted, if you're the sort of staffueresque moron who cries so much when you get ganked gankers simply must kill you then you'll die, of course, but otherwise you will die far less often if you've managed to figure out how to tank your hulk than if you are a staffueresque moron who can't figure out how

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#152 - 2012-05-03 20:46:19 UTC
Fendre wrote:
And now for something completely different:

I got to this thread because today i got my retriever blown up in a suicide gank and i dont understand it.

I truly wonder why someone wants to waste a destroyer class ship to concord in order to blow up my mining ship? What is the fun in that?

That ship with the strip miners and things cost me about 13 m isk. I can afford that easily. No problem. I wont lose a moment of sleep over it. In fact, i have already replaced it.
I just didnt expect it., because i dont see the point why anyone wants to destroy his own ship in order to blow up mine. Just like that. Nothing more.

As there are so many childish people posting here, this seems to be the good place to ask why you are doing this.


its fun

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#153 - 2012-05-03 20:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
As predicted, the Gewn can't refute my argument, so he just resorts to insults.

In other news:

Clearly this guy should have tanked his Hulk. He would have totally survived if he had some - oh wait. Total Damage Taken: 40,398

INB4 "derp derp"

Unrelated, but funny.
Verte Sinkon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2012-05-03 21:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Verte Sinkon
At http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13263199 :

Actually, he only took 4012 damage.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#155 - 2012-05-03 21:01:02 UTC
"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#156 - 2012-05-03 21:02:43 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
As predicted, the Gewn can't refute my argument, so he just resorts to insults.

In other news:

Clearly this guy should have tanked his Hulk. He would have totally survived if he had some - oh wait. Total Damage Taken: 40,398

INB4 "derp derp"

Unrelated, but funny.

ahahahahahahaha are you serious you don't get how killmails work do you

that npc rat sure did all that damage at once didn't it

also that's a staffueresque tank five destroyers was hilarious overkill

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#157 - 2012-05-03 21:03:27 UTC
that is a horrendous tank and that person deserved the ganking they recieved

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#158 - 2012-05-03 21:03:42 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes


No actual argument? Okay then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and make sure to wipe my goo off your chin before you kiss your mom goodnight later.

Or don't. Lol
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-05-03 21:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
Weaselior wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
As predicted, the Gewn can't refute my argument, so he just resorts to insults.

In other news:

Clearly this guy should have tanked his Hulk. He would have totally survived if he had some - oh wait. Total Damage Taken: 40,398

INB4 "derp derp"

Unrelated, but funny.

ahahahahahahaha are you serious you don't get how killmails work do you

that npc rat sure did all that damage at once didn't it

also that's a staffueresque tank five destroyers was hilarious overkill


Just goes to show that not being AFK is a better defense than a good tank.

Since, y'know, 5 destroyers is considered overkill for a target with 40k HP.

Which is exactly my argument. Death is only 1 extra gunboat away.

Thanks for proving my points for me o/. Cool
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#160 - 2012-05-03 21:10:26 UTC
greetings,

allow me to explain how killmails work to you, a person who certainly does not have brain damage

you see, killmails include all the damage done over any length of time: this perticular killmail has the hulk perma-tanking an npc rat

that npc rat has been doing a constant amount of damage for hours, which is counteracted by the shield regen

however, when the Staffuer-tanked hulk is killed, all that damage (that doesn't at all contribute to the gank) is listed

this is why anyone without severe brain damage would subtract the npc rat damage from the 'total damage done'

seperately anyone who knows how to tank a hulk would roll over laughing at the idea 4 small shield extenders with no invulns or hardeners, no dcII, no reinforced bulkheads, and cargo rigs and expanders was a tank

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.