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I'm not discussing rp reasons, I'm discussing game design reasons.

Not being able to dock in a single system does NOTHING to slow down roaming gangs, does nothing to encourage blobs (in fact the opposite), and encourages participation.

If you don't understand why, take a closer look at Null sec Sov battles, and then realize how this will be affected by your "war zone" being surrounded by systems where they can dock freely. Then take a moment and consider that when Sov changes hands the whole upgrade process will need to begin from scratch, thus giving neutral parties living there a strong incentive to support the owning faction to ensure a stable (favorable) environment.

Yes, you will have some neutrals that support whoever is winning. You will have others that have a vested interest in one faction over another being successful in holding Sov (read Data Core price/availability). Other incentives would be a good idea, to motivate a larger percentage of the population, but this is a good first step... one I might add that actually is detrimental to me currently unless (wait for it) I put a character into FW.

As far as losing a system during a sleep cycle is concerned, I sincerely doubt that will be possible. We will have to see what the final determination is on timer length and go from there. If the similarities to Null Sec Sov mechanics hold, it is more likely the timer would end up being in the 24/48 hour range.

Smart players would not put a large portion of their assets into a station likely to be contested often, and if they did you will have options for getting those assets out (via neutral alts or other parties) that Null Sec alliances don't have.

Someone just posted that large alliances outside of FW will simply move in and take over.
You do realize that it is quite likely that YOU will control those upgrades, and can take them away... and that outside alliances can not. Instead, all it does is give them a reason to support and assist you.

In effect, this is a more civilized form of Sov warfare... complete with perks and benefits to the combatants that Null Sec inhabitants do not enjoy.

Hey, a question - have you changed the Drake model so it doesn't have the fake launchers anymore?

How about if they increased LP gains for killing targets and taking plexes and such when your on the losing side? They could make a simple system that gives up to 50% more or less LP based on 10 levels like everything else. If your losing really bad your actions gives you twice the reward they would if you were on the winning side.

This would be an interesting solution because the wining side gets a huge 50% discount on LP items, but the losing side gets a 50% bonus in LP. So the more active you are, the more LP you'll make, so if you save it up untill your side is winning, your LP will be worth more as everything is now cheaper.

On the other hand if your winning, you won't feel a sting, you'll just have cheaper LP items but get less LP from actions in FW.

Maybe we would have to pick and choose which FW actions would get this Benefit. Say.... Taking out a control bunker would give a massive chunk of LP based on participation like incursions. However the more you're losing, the more taking a system back pays out. Giving both an incentive to fight back for the losing side, and to keep winning, so you get a nice LP discount with your now very large collection of LP.

This would basically introduce a supply and demand mechanic right into the underbelly of Faction warfare. The losing side is willing to offer more rewards for brave pilots.

This is incorrect. What will happen is that this will encourage outsiders to stick an alt into the losing militia to farm LP. They will plex in back water systems as far away from anybody as possible. They may even use an alt in the opposing militia to contest a system so they can immediately decontest it (ie double dipping). They will also continue to ninja run missions. They will then make crazy amounts of isk to take back to their 0.0 mains.

Besides, if the losing side were to get more people, how are they supposed to take systems back if they cannot base near those systems?

When a CCP someone sad "we make FW like 0.0" the FW was over.. 0.0 and FW was different.
while 0.0 needs capitals, pilots, every day, going to CTAs every timezones, big fleets, and numbers, the FW needs small fast gangs, good tactics, where every member of the fleet choices can change the fight. That's why we come to FW.
CCP now kill FW, don't know why, don't know what was the problem.
When this patch comes, so many players will left militia and maybe the game.

Agree with Rara - if we wanted grinding structures to be our bread and butter we would have moved to Null long ago. We live in FW because we want nothing to do with Null mechanics.

I would actually look at it the opposite way. I would look at it like it would be better if you could flip the system back quickly to get access to your stuff again.

Consider if you could flip the system in under an hour. You could form a fleet and take it back before the other side could blob up on you.

Ok I haven't entirely thought this through but it seems to me the shorter time to flip systems leads to more fun dynamic gameplay and less of a matter of blob wins.

I think unique per-system bonuses, plus a little story fluff for each system and constellation's description like you have for the regions (like the stuff Seriphyn Inhonores writes here) would go a long way to adding story depth to FW without actually doing very much work.

Sorry Mother, I have to agree that solo kills in a bomber are a lot of fun and quite doable.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The sec of the systems in FW should be dynamic. The closer a system is to enemy space, the lower the sec should be. This would laser focus FW pvp into the border zone. Kinda like star trek TNG's neutral zone.

Plus it would allow for people to move up their base of operations as they take systems. As new "high" sec* systems are created. This has the amazingly hilarious side effect of people keeping thier ships and equipment close to enemy space. So if you take over a chunk of space that was being used as a forward operations base for the other side, you just locked the other team from a station full of supplies.

It gives an incentive for players to actually move their assets into these stations that could be taken over, and an incentive to fight to get them back if taken.

Also make sure if you've been in FW a all in the past month, you can't dock with the stations. Else people will just jump out of the FW npc corp, dock with a station, repair and buy stuff, rejoin FW, and then undock. That doesn't make sense. Maybe we should be super mean and never let anyone who joins a side in FW ever dock with the other side? unless they grind up standings and join their side?

this way it's a lot hard to just jump ship to the winning side.

by *high* sec I mean much easier to defend systems that are somehow harder to take or something? Make players feel safe about moving deeper into FW space.


also shouldn't there be some advantage for being a FW in your own Low sec space over some random pirates? Would be nice if maybe.... gate guns don't shoot at you if your in a system you own, That would ake fighting pirates much easier, muhahaha.