Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I really feel that if people didn't have to worry about losing attribute implants, then there'd be more people getting podded, thus more isk sink into clones, and some into implants.

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People may not avoid pvp in lowsec due to implants cause its easy enough to save your pod. People do avoid pvp when bubbles come into play cause its easy to lose your pod. I used to pvp some in wormholes, every time i got podded first thing i did was go to trade hub and but new set of attribute implants. If i woulda lost a implant set when i had no isk i would have had to wait til i eraned the isk to buy the implants. This is a indirect nerf ever since i started playing to training times of people who hang out where bubbles form.
Jump clones are useful for other things like jumping across the galaxy, having multiple implant sets for different ships.
Maybe there's some information out there with relative training speeds per sec band.

I avoid PvP like the plauge for many reasons but not the least of which is because I don't' want to replace +5's and refuse to jump clone out of +5's.

Attribute implants and PLEXs are the only 2 items that give real life value. Training at more skill points per hour makes your monthly subscription more efficient as it takes less months of game time to get your character to a given point.

What will you give to the PvE side of the game to compensate for this?

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OK, so those attribute points from the implants are put directly into your character... So you have that permanently.

Now, those open implant slots now share implants with the other 5 implant slots.

so
1-6 share
2-7 share
3-8 share
4-9 share
5-10 share

However, you can't put the same implant in both slots.

So, a high sec mission runner could put an implants for heavy missile buff in 7, and then a shield boost buff in slot 2 (assuming there are implants for these available for those slots)

A miner would be able to put a yeti in slot 10 and a mining buff implant in slot 5, this way they have implants for both activities.

Basically, all players would be able to mix and match the implants available for those two slots in order to make themselves more versatile, such as mining and missioning, or, they could make themselves better at one individual task, such as missioning, or pvp.

Now, as far as the high grade implants, like the snake and slaves, then perhaps CCP could switch them to bonus specifically towards a hardwire, as well as allow them to have their secondary effect, BUT, with the added benefit of allowing you to apply them in a slot where they would stack. so lets say slot 5 had a 5% missille buff, but the specialty implant you were putting in the number 1 slot was a 3% missile buff implant, well, since it was a specialty implant, than it would allow you to stack them....

Well, the problem I have with boosters is that while it does allow all players to have the same training capabilities with no risk of losing those bonuses, it also still puts the advantage in the hands of players who either have eve completely figured out so they make tons of isk, or in the hands of those players whos daddies have fat wallets. In other words, they're getting an advantage in training just because they have money, which is unfair when you consider that not all players are able to put that much time into the game, or aren't rich out of game.

As far as my suggestion for replacing them, well, I did it this way for a few different reasons.
1) If I had said remove the slots, then it removes risk vs reward

2) If I had said make new implants specifically for those slots, then it's a headache for CCP

3) On top of 2, there's already a ton of implants for each slot that go unused or underused because players can only have one as it exist now.

4) hardwires are similar to attributes in that they give the players wearing them an advantage over one who isn't, but unlike attribute implants, the effectiveness of the hardwire implant doesn't determine how effective the pilot or their fits are. They can be rocking a full rack of 10 5% hardwire implants, but this doesn't neccessarily mean they're a better pilot or have a good fit on their ship, where as attribute implants give them more effective training times without any sort of skill on the part of the pilot, so when wearing them, they're all bonus with nothing left on the pilot.

You would still have the advantage, but the advantage would only be in what you cloud fly. Even with 10 5% implants in your head increasing your combat effectiveness, it still doesn't make you a better pilot or mean you can fit a ship better.

Where as again, like I said, attribute implants give you all bonus with nothing left of the pilot in the way of skill with combat.

because new players, players that don't get to play that often and players that cant afford to risk those +5 implants are losing out. This isn't WoW...We don't need to level grind.

+5 implants isn't a reward in Eve... They're essentially a necessity, and if you don't have them on, you're not less rewarded, you're penalized.

Having 2 implants from one tree isnt a reward. it's a risk. Performing better in combat/mining/boosting/whatever is the reward.

Not being allowed to stack two of the same implants is a balance, so a person can't be running a tengu with duel heavy missile 5% hardwires.

But the main factor in what I just said is that +5 implants in Eve is more or less a must in Eve, you instead of your risk being rewarded, it's instead more viewed as a punishment to those who can't afford those implants.

Like I've mentioned before. With the plex system intruduced in Eve, attribute implants are essentially allowing players to purchase SP with real money, and from what I understand, pretty much everyone is against this.

This suggestion is very interesting.. So basically, you can either go 6% missiles or 3% missiles 3%shields...etc..etc... correct?
That's an interesting idea.

I'm suggesting that the players get the points because it has essentially become standard to have attribute implants in and not having them in is as laughable as getting podded without an updated clone. It's just something you don't do.


No...Most of us are used to +5





While the thought of boosters sounds interesting it still leaves that open window that I keep complaining about where wealthy players in and out of game are essentially allowed to buy SP. That's what attribute implants are and that's essentially what an attribute booster would be.



Actually, I am one of those high sec carebears that runs around wearing +5 implants. So, this whole time I've been complaining I haven't been complaining cause I don't get what other players do, I've been suggesting it because
1) Other players aren't presented almost risk free faster training the way I am
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2) Because if I want to go in low/null sec I either have to take a massive risk and wear the implants, or, I jump out of thise clone.
Now, this gives some problems for me because I obviously can't afford to replace them, however, i'd be locked into the other clone for 24hrs, so once we finish a roam I'm essentially left useless and losing out on SP.
What about joining a null/low sec corp/alliance? Do I just risk it and take my expensive clone even though I am extremely likely to lose it, expecially in null sec?

Basically I'm saying that attribute implants go one of those ways. You're either on par with +5 implants, or you're missing out without them. +5 implants are no longer a specialty item that only the rich players can afford. They're essentially a mandatory item that everyone should have once they can afford it, and those with real money get the advantage, which means they progress in SP faster than another player and doesn't have to risk reduced SP from podding because they can simply get a plex or 2 and buy new +5 implants.
So again, +5 implants used to be a specialty item that you earned.. Now, they're mandatory and allow players to essentially buy SP with real currency which gives real life wealthy players an advantage in progression over other players.
I don't have a problem with players buying better combat effectiveness because the implants are only as good as the pilot.