Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bare with me on this... It'll make sense and I'm sure it's something that would work for all players.

So, remove attribute implants from the game, and instead, apply those +5s directly to the characters indefinitely, but still allow for the same neural remaps that currently exists.

Now, as far as what to do with those leftover implant slots.

My idea was to tie them to current implants. So it would look like this.

Implants for slots 1 and 6
slots 2 and 7
slots 3 and 8
4 and 9
5 and 10

So any implant that would fit in slot 6, will now also fit into slot 1.

The only limitation on this is that you wouldn't be able to fit 2 implants effecting the same attribute. So I wouldn't be able to fit 2 implants to effect tracking on large guns, but i would be able to fit one for large guns and one for small guns, or armor rep amount, etc. etc..
Basically, a mix and match.

Now, this helps the players tremedously.
It helps noobies because they will have faster training times to be able to get better ships and modules sooner.
It helps pvp and pve players with more combat implants.
It helps players involved in pvp that don't like risking implants because they would no longer lose out on training time.

Basically, the way the system currently sits, most players won't put +5 implants in their heads on a pvp clone because it's too much money to risk.
So essentially, players are being punished with longer training times because they prefer to pvp.

The only thing that should actually be effected in this manner is combat effectiveness. Now, the players willing to risk their implants will be able to pull out more combat effectiveness without having to risk training times, and more players can get involved in pvp without losing training times. So everyone still has the same training times, but those willing to risk more and spend the isk also get more combat effectiveness.

Training is not something that should be effected by combat apart from flying a ship that when destroyed can possibly cause skill loss, or not having an updated clone.

With the current system, sure it should effect your ability to learn.. However, with what I'm suggesting, it instead effects only your combat effectiveness



Yes, players do like attribute implants, however, if they had the opportunity to retain the attribute buffs without having to worry about implants on clones and to also have the ability to apply more combat effectiveness instead of attribute buffs, i'm sure they would enjoy that much more.

Apparently you guys didn't read what I posted, but instead just looked at the title and figured you understood.

No, i'm not saying remove risk vs. reward, I am instead saying, make that risk vs. reward applied towards combat effectiveness unless you're in a t3, or don't have an updated clone.

A player risking more will still receive more benefit, but instead through combat and not training times.

Yes, you are. You're asking to remove the risk of losing your +5s without removing the reward of having the +5s. Hence you're asking to remove a large chunk of the risk vs reward.

That also means there is absolutely no drawback to the HG pirate implants. as it stands, you can either max learning, or max something like armor HP, not both.

That's your take on it. Mine runs differently.

I see him asking to remove training benefits from avoiding PvP vs getting into it.
I see him asking to keep the implant slots but make them usable only with hardwires vs training implants.

No where in there do I see any removal of risk vs rewards, what I do see is disabling PvE benefits of "safe training" vs PvP players losing out on it because of learning implants that cost too much to use when you're going to lose that pod.

If you think the rare pop of a highsec pod with +5's does more than annoy them, you're wrong. That player will replace the implants and keep using +5's.

Who won't? The lowsec and nullsec and wormhole folks that daily face risks of PvP. THEY don't use high-end training implants so they don't keep up with the 22+ million SP a year "living safe in highsec" players and he's asking for that to be removed so it is no longer a "hidden" penalty of PvP in this game -- you won't train as fast as someone who sits "safe".

I kind of like the idea that PvP types can and will train as fast as any Jita 4-4 trader can. A PvP player may lose their pod but they won't fall behind on training simply to avoid "flying what they can't afford to lose" via training implants (which is all "attribute implants" are -- for training).

So swap out learning implant slots for hardwires? That could work. You'd have 5 more slots you could spend on to improve your performance -- but not train faster nor slower simply to avoid/afford losses to training.

Finally, two people that understand what I'm saying.

One thing those haters of this idea aren't realizing is that with the introduction of the PLEX program, attribute implants are essentially allowing those players with real world cash to buy SP, which so many people are against. All they have to do is buy a plex, sell it for isk, then buy a crap tons of +5s and boom, they've just bought at least a month's worth of SP for the year. If they get podded, then rinse and repeat. Daddy's wallet isn't gonna be empty any time soon.

So, would you rather these players purchase SP, or would you rather them buy limited combat effectiveness that is worthless if they don't know how to fly or fit a ship?

Don't know about you, but i'm going to go with option B.

But I would be able to fit a 6% CPU and 6% PG implant at the same time. Part of the deal with implants is that there are benefits and consequences. If you fit the 6% CPU implant, you can't fit the 6% PG implant.

We have jump clones to address the risk of losing implants. If you head out to PvP, switch to your +3 clone. When you're done for the weekend, switch to your +5 clone. Note that +5 implants do not cost as much as high grade Snakes or Slaves, yet people still PvP with those implant sets.

It is not fear of losing +5 implants that keeps people out of PvP, it's fear of loss, and fear of failure. Switch to +3 implants for PvP, and you will not lose as many SP as going out in a naked clone.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Actually id like to see attribute implants replaced with attribute boosters.

Exactly the same, except the effect is not permanent. So the boosters must constantly be replenished, although perhaps they would have insanely long timers.

Their effects should also persist beyond death, the current system unnecessarily penalizes null sec players. I see no reason to link learning speed with the security status of the systems in which you live.

Well, at least we agree on that part.

I do feel if you're going to have something in those slots then it should be something you have to risk, however, I don't feel it should be effectinge our attributes.