Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I usually do not whine. But this this time things get serious
I can't accept this merlin nerf. We already have useless kestrel

i can deal with


But not with No damage/No tank/No speed piece of gallente-like scrap.

Well, looking at the incursus bonuses, that particular bit of scrap is going to kick your face in :)

Or a Kestrel with a tank bonus.

So keep the kestrel as it is... and give it a tank bonus :p Problem solved.

I'd prefer to either keep the merlin's split weapons, or focus it on guns. That way, the caldari have a full turret line-up from frig to BS, as well as the missile ships.

**** your risk free capital ship movement.

This is very interesting. This is a very odd thing to do with the cap though. I am wondering if this will discourage lasers in favor of the old autocannon bleeder fits



This thing will own really hard, but if you are trying to get more people to active tank, you won't be achieving that goal by removing the shield resist bonus. This just screams mse, scram, web, ab/mwd, blasters with 150-250 dps. I think you might also be trying to get people to fit rails, but blasters on this ship will **** the pants off of most things




This cap reduction seems fairly iffy, especially with the rep bonus. The rep bonus, low cpu addition, and 4 slots seems like you are deliberately forcing people to fly duel rep incursii with no webs which seems ~meh~ . I would honestly prefer to fly the current incursus then the one you are proposing. Turn the armor rep bonus to a falloff bonus and you will have a nice little ship, but this thing would probably die, or fail to mantain range control on the current incursus and kill nothing. I foresee this ship becoming really boring to fight against with the kind of tank it might be able to achieve.

I understand that this is by no means complete and this is only your first round of frigates being looked at; but the balance between races that seem traditional are:

amarr - king of armour tank they have the 5% resist per level
caldari - king of shield tank they have the 5% resist per level
minmatar - active tank bonus (shield)
gallente - active tank bonus (armour)

it seems that the punisher is keeping its brawling resists and caldari are not receiving any.
unless of course your plan for the "bombarding kestrel" is to give it 5% shield resist per level in which case I will fall deeply in love with it.

that said, this staggered release of frigate updates seems to do nothing but breed mayhem.

i'd recommend doing your best to release your 'vision' for the other frigates as quickly as possible so players can give a better opinion on the overall changes taking place as opposed to looking at a single run of frigates.

Not much of any use here just moving some deckchairs about on the Titanic,

Ships need a key role yes.. but all truely great ships have two roles and a range of fits and should allow short or long range combat

TORMENTOR:
New bonuses: 10% to small energy turret range and 10% bonus to small energy capacitor use per level

Should work ok short or long range (mini apoc)


PUNISHER:
New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage and 5% bonus to armor resistances per skill level

All hail our new Amarr overloads!


MERLIN:
New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% to small hybrid turret range per level

Got an issue with this and it upsets the whole caldari rail line up, range bonus is mostly pointless with T2 spike .. merlin, Ferox and Rokh and T2 varients should have 5% bonus to hybrid damage 5% bonus to hybrid turret range and 2.5% resists per level. Harpy shows how this could work well (even though it is T2 hull/ bonus).


INCURSUS:
New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level

This could work and fits in with the line up of brutix, hyperion however I always thought this would be more useful if it was split into something to help get to range (be it short or long).

5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 5% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level 15% increase in agility per level during MWD use (higher acceleration).


RIFTER:
Unchanged bonuses

Agree already win sauce


Also T1 frigs need a 'general role bonus', I'd suggest something as follows:

• 2.5% reduction in base signiture radius per level
10% bonus to afterburner speed per level
+5m2 drone space
+2.5% increase on webifier strength per level
-5% bonus on cap use using propulsion scrambling modules
Another option is to be more generous with T1 hull cpu and PG so new players can fit them easily and older players can go back and slap a 400mm plate or a medium extender on them without too much worry or rigging and full fit them out in all kinds of fun interesting ways.

Other T1 ships need a similar role bonus not as strong as a T2 bonus but totally unique useful (not overpowered) on T1s and something you give up when you use a specialised T2 hull.

Rig changes are kinda terrible for shield extending, I always thought the sig issues with 3 rigs is more of a dubious choice these days with Teir 3 Bcs and battleships / titans about blapping people. So its pretty balanced but not perfect since it is overused with little competing alternative. Such as sig reduction rigs...

I think that signiture needs to be more of a key area of balance were smaller signiture, especially on frigates is a major selling point (and the adverse being a real issue for larger ships with extenders!), ships with smaller sig should be the bane of any ships with larger turrets not just lol 'blap' (see above).

If you are looking at T1 cruisers next I would suggest they also get new roles and brand new bonuses to support them, not just rearranging the same tired old ****.

While I generally like these changes, are these all the ships that are going to be balanced in Inferno? Or is this just what you have so far, more to come? What about all the other frigs that are basically useless once you have trained "[racial] Frigate III"?

How about a support frigate, not necessarily ewar? Why not have a remote repair [range/cap] bonus (similar to cruisers) on a T1 hull?

I really hope there is more to come, as much as I like the changes, the list is a bit short...

You can already do a blaster moa and it ******* owns.