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New Dev Blog: UI and I – Our Little Improvements Together V2

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-04-20 16:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
great work!

BUT! please don't code eve to work like windows 3.1

"It's now possible to copy items in the Quickbar into another Quickbar folder by CTRL dragging them over the new folder."

How would any new player figure that out? If i didn't read this dev blog i wouldn't know about it, and I would try and try to copy items from one folder to another using different controls. Or does crtl-C crtl-V still work on top of this option?

I hope you can understand on concern. you should have a button for even, on the ui a copy to folder button. Instead of all of these cool hidden features eve gets.

Another way to fix this would be to add a list of shortcuts in the Help pin window hat helps you play the game when your new, or old.

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Jupix
MuroBBS United
#42 - 2012-04-20 16:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jupix
I'm just gonna drop my little UI stuff list here Big smile -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1096261#post1096261

Some of it already got added, so thanks !

Also, I fail !

CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#43 - 2012-04-20 16:41:57 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
"If the scroll has focus, and you have an entry in it selected, only that entry will be copied. However, if the scroll has focus, but no entry is selected, CTRL+C will copy all the content of the scroll."

Just tried that with "transactions". I can get selected items to copy, but with nothing selected, nothing gets copied.
I'm pretty sure your scroll just doesn't have focus (it's probably on the "load" button). If the scroll has focus, it has a white border around the edges.

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Jejju
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-04-20 16:43:25 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
The Trader inside me currently has a raging hardon


Is everyone going to let this go...Seriously Guys.

OK. I will. I know I had something for this...
Sarmatiko
#45 - 2012-04-20 16:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Quote:
Other small changes you guys have asked for:
A "Client" submenu has been added to transaction log in the journal as suggested by Seloena.


It would be nice to see LP points transaction journal (similar to Standings transaction log) sometimes in near future. Currently there is no way to see how fast you gain LP points from mission rewards and how you spend them.

Also why there is no shiny graphs for wallet/standings or other journals?
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-04-20 16:44:55 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Creat Posudol wrote:
Excellent changes! Especially the own market order highlight of course Roll

I do have one suggestion I keep posting on every thread about "small stuff":
Can we please get a better behavior for the double-click in the "My Orders" tab of "My Wallet"? Currently it does a "show info", which can already be accomplished by a single click on the (i)-icon at the end (which I also never use).
Please assign the double-click to perform a "Show Market Details", which is something every industrialist constantly uses! I'm sure (hopeful) it's a change of one or two lines of code to switch the dblclck-handler. Please pretty prettyplease!
OK.... DONE! (it already works like that, I changed it in Crucible 1.5)

LIKE A BOSS

but again, make these changes more ovbious , update the help windows when you make a new release please. : )

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#47 - 2012-04-20 16:46:13 UTC
Very cool improvements. I'd love for you guys to extend a little drag-drop love to the IGB as well, it would be awesome to be able to drag and drop people and items into it... :)

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eidenjunior
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-04-20 16:47:48 UTC
why not make icons for the show MOTD and clear chat? insted of useing the menu?
Severin Emmeram
Re-Tek
#49 - 2012-04-20 16:52:15 UTC
Awesome changes!

I have a tiny request: copying something (e.g. from a "scroll", but also test in an evemail) works by pressing Ctrl+C.
That is also the official windows shortcut for copying, so everybody is used to it.

But in windows you have also the possibility to use the old shortcuts:
Copy: Ctrl+Ins
Paste: Shift+Ins
Cut: Shift+Del

Would it be possible to make that work in EVE too? (of course additionally)
I am so used to them and always get angry at myself for carefully selecting something, pressing Ctrl+Ins, changing to excel and...
No, didnt work :(
Again.

So pretty please, can you do that?
Sid Hudgens
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-04-20 16:54:12 UTC
Mr Garo wrote:
Please let us copy and paste ship fittings to and from EVE in the EVEMon / EFT compatible format via the clipboard. The current way to import and export ship fittings via xml files is a bit too complicated to be a comfortable way.

EDIT: Thanks for all the amazing little fixes so far!

- Mr Garo



This. For the love of god do this please.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2012-04-20 16:55:27 UTC
dude, excel, thats like some hardcore sci fi stuff right there. Currently I can't even get stuff to display properly from word to excel and you made it so it goes from eve to excel.

Its like the future, but now.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2012-04-20 16:57:50 UTC
Hubba hubba. Big smile
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#53 - 2012-04-20 16:57:53 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
"If the scroll has focus, and you have an entry in it selected, only that entry will be copied. However, if the scroll has focus, but no entry is selected, CTRL+C will copy all the content of the scroll."

Just tried that with "transactions". I can get selected items to copy, but with nothing selected, nothing gets copied.
I'm pretty sure your scroll just doesn't have focus (it's probably on the "load" button). If the scroll has focus, it has a white border around the edges.


You're right. But is non-intuitive on how to get focus in the scroll without clicking on it and clicking on it selects an entry. I eventually clicked on it, but below all entries, and that made it work. Maybe make clicking on the "transactions" tab after hitting the load button gets focus? Or Have focus transfer automagically after hitting load?

But I can live with it as it is now.

Also, to everyone: Im getting about a 50% to 100% boost in FPS with the current Sisi build. Thanks for that too.

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2012-04-20 17:04:40 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
dude, excel, thats like some hardcore sci fi stuff right there. Currently I can't even get stuff to display properly from word to excel and you made it so it goes from eve to excel.

Its like the future, but now.
Hahahahahaha Big smile

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Albion26
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-04-20 17:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Albion26
This is going to sound a little pointless but

Quote:
Have you ever tried to contract you active ship? Well, as Bairfhionn Isupointed out, you can't. So why does it show up in the item list in the contract creation? I don't have an answer that justifies its presence in the list and it's just confusing. Therefore, after Escalation, the active ship will no longer appear in that item list.


Instead of completely removing it from the list of items, can you keep it on there but grey it out so it can't be selected, and either put (Active Ships Cannot be Contracted) either on the item, or on a tooltip when mouse_over'd? This way, new players trying to figure stuff out, don't go "wtf why isn't this ship showing up?" it seems so minor but that kind of thing would frustrate me just a little as a beginner.

That way, it keeps you from even being able to select it just to get the notification later on, but it will also let you know why you can't select it.
Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-04-20 17:10:01 UTC
man I really like this Dev xD
Sha'Uri Dark
VoidRunner's Inc.
#57 - 2012-04-20 17:11:43 UTC
Mr Garo wrote:
Please let us copy and paste ship fittings to and from EVE in the EVEMon / EFT compatible format via the clipboard. The current way to import and export ship fittings via xml files is a bit too complicated to be a comfortable way.

EDIT: Thanks for all the amazing little fixes so far!

- Mr Garo



I fly 3 races of ships and I would love to be able to have more than 100 fits in the fitting browser. I understand that these 100 are stored on the server and allowing more will cause problems. Would it be possible have it look in a player designated folder locally and load additional fits from there and allow us to pick which 100 we want saved to the server? And have it able to read fits in all the standard formats text, XML, etc.
Zifrian
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#58 - 2012-04-20 17:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Great changes. I still think little things like this are just as important as new features. The market highlight for my orders is such a simple but huge change to game play.

One of the things that seems to be missed in all of this is changes to the science and industry window. It hasn't been updated in years and I would really like to see some attention there.

Here's a list of simple changes I have suggested several times already but I think are really simple but very noticeable things that will improve the game in the same way as the list in this blog.


  • Show number of manufacturing and invention/research jobs available in the blueprints tab of science & industry - i.e. Change Max Manufacturing Jobs 10 to Remaining Manufacturing Jobs 4/10 (showing 4 jobs left)

  • Right click for any blueprint, only show options that are available for that type. Right now it shows all. I.e time research for a T1 BPC doesnt make sense. For example only show the following options for BPs:
  • T1 Copy - Manufacture and Invent
    T2 Copy - Manufacture
    T1 BPO - Manufacture, Copy, Material Research, Time Research
    T2 BPO - Manufacture, Copy, Material Research, Time Research
    T3 BPC - Manufacture
    Relic (not a BP but same issue) - Reverse Engineering

  • Manufacturing - Add an option to manufacturing for T2 BPC's to 'Manufacture All' that automatically populates the Runs button with the max runs for the BPC. I.e. 10 for most items

  • Inventing - Click Flow to allow more enter button selectiom, changes in bold: Right click, choose invent. CCP change - Highlight Pick Installation (Selecting OK doesn't make any sense here), double click select installation, CCP change - Highlight OK Button. CCP change - Highlight Accept Quote button

  • Manufacturing - Click Flow to allow more enter button selectiom, changes in bold: Right click, choose manufacturing. CCPchange - Highlight Pick Installation, double click select installation, CCP change - highlight OK Button

  • R.A.M. use - Change R.A.M.s to only need the number required after damage calculated instead of 1 for each run. I.e. right now, 1 ram takes 30% damage per run can be used 2 more times but game required 3 rams, not 1. (Or just get rid of them, what purpose do they serve anyway? Don't we already have enough extra components/items to add for T2 production?)

  • Only show industry slots at POS labs/arrays that are ONLINE


Hope that helps. And thanks again for the great work.

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Sev3rance
#59 - 2012-04-20 17:16:35 UTC
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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-04-20 17:17:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Wow. Seriously, just wow.

So many of these changes have been bouncing around my head. Thanks for the great work chaps - these are some seriously awesome changes.

As mentioned (I think) by Two Step - please please please can you incorporate dragging characters into the IGB?

That would make me a very happy chappy!

Thanks again for all the hard work..... Big smile

Aaaaaaand relax.