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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#821 - 2012-04-13 16:09:54 UTC
SO THE VELATOR WTF CPP?!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#822 - 2012-04-13 16:10:19 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it. And the eHP fits given here are only useful against a particular gank, but in general is the tank just weak.

One can take out a cap with a frigate, if you let it. It is not a smart argument. Maybe when you want people to be smarter, then start with yourself.


You need at least 4 nados to kill a supertank hulk in 0.7 space. How exactly is this not enough ehp?
Whitehound
#823 - 2012-04-13 16:23:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You need at least 4 nados to kill a supertank hulk in 0.7 space. How exactly is this not enough ehp?

As I said before is the fit bad. Since when do we need more than the mid- or the low-slots to tank a ship?

You are holding on to the supertank Hulk like a drowning man holds on to a straw. Does this not make you nervous?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Avila Cracko
#824 - 2012-04-13 16:29:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds.


Concord will drop in at 10 seconds in 0.7 space and around 20 seconds in 0.6-0.5. That gives an arty nado only two vollies to kill its target.



You forgot to add 6,7 seconds when Concord is appeared before in this same solar system (baited to the other belt).
and cca 2,3 more that concord BS need to target you and kill when its already came to belt.
And add few more seconds per any other attacker if there is more then one until that one is targeted and killed.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#825 - 2012-04-13 16:32:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds.


Concord will drop in at 10 seconds in 0.7 space and around 20 seconds in 0.6-0.5. That gives an arty nado only two vollies to kill its target.



How much you get from your Nado with your skills:
(osef perfect ones) with a GANK fit and T2 1400's+short range ammo? (volley) Lol

0.5 last time I've checked concord spawn was about 16sec and about 9sec rof with 1400's with my pesky skills witch makes me put 3 volley on that hulk that would need about 60k EHP to survive my single tornado in a 0.5 system

But of course all this is purely theoretical, right? -and of course I have no idea what I'm talking about, right? Lol

Cheese everywhere LolLolLolLolLol
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#826 - 2012-04-13 16:47:29 UTC
Jorma Amatin wrote:
Maybe you don't know about Thundercat fleets


Those Tengu fleets I was refering...
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#827 - 2012-04-13 16:48:16 UTC
Mining subsystem is fail

Mining T3 ship would be win

Oh, what is this? Somebody did one back during ccp's design contest with subsystems planned, balanced and not OP?

Wait... that was me

http://vapor65.deviantart.com/art/Prospect-T3-ver-2-190233061

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#828 - 2012-04-13 16:54:18 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds.

So in other words having tank is insanely important.


LOLCool

30 seconds is a very, very, long time.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#829 - 2012-04-13 16:56:03 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#830 - 2012-04-13 16:57:58 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
9sec rof with 1400's


yea, thats not possible, not by a long shot.
Whitehound
#831 - 2012-04-13 16:59:18 UTC
Another number example, this time with the two shield-tanking T2 transporters Mastodon and Bustard:

Both transporters have more low- (5) than mid-slots (3), yet, when you fit them only for shield tanking and with 2x LSE II and 1x AIF II do both get 50k eHP. Their signatures are however larger - 200 and 215 - whereas the Hulk's signature is only 150. Scaling down the eHP proportionally to the signatures should a Hulk still have 35k-40k eHP and only by using its mid-slots. However, it is currently only half as much. Mainly because of the huge difference in PG (Hulk: 35 PG, T2 Transporter: 245-268 PG).

The ships have similar align times (16.7 vs 17.4). This does not account for the different prices / bills of materials of these ships or their different speeds or roles.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#832 - 2012-04-13 17:01:41 UTC
battlehulk incoming!

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#833 - 2012-04-13 17:07:22 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
battlehulk incoming!


Hulk killing Tornados. That would be fun thing to see.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#834 - 2012-04-13 17:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Whitehound wrote:
This does not account for the different prices / bills of materials of these ships or their different speeds or roles.
…and that is your problem right there. You're comparing the Hulk to a ship class whose entire purpose is to take one hell of a beating. It's really surprising that they can tank a bit then… Roll

You might as well compare the Hulk to a carrier at that point.
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No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it.
Good news: you don't have to either. So that's that “problem” solved, then.
Whitehound
#835 - 2012-04-13 17:52:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
This does not account for the different prices / bills of materials of these ships or their different speeds or roles.
…and that is your problem right there. You're comparing the Hulk to a ship class whose entire purpose is to take one hell of a beating. It's really surprising that they can tank a bit then… Roll

You might as well compare the Hulk to a carrier at that point.
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No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it.
Good news: you don't have to either. So that's that “problem” solved, then.

The Hulk is a transport ship just like the T2 transporters. PvP takes place everywhere and cannot be restricted to a certain area. The T2 transporters' designation is supported by more than just a tank and a cargo bay. They get active tanking bonuses as well as +2 warp scramble strength. The Hulk can fit strip miners and gets bonuses to mining yield for its role.

It is simply a lack of PG on the side of the mining ships. Newer industrials like the Noctis (250PG) or the Primea (175PG) do come with a proper amount now.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#836 - 2012-04-13 18:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Whitehound wrote:
The Hulk is a transport ship just like the T2 transporters.
No. It's an exhumer — a T2 mining barge. It's role is to suck up rocks, not to transport stuff straight through camps by sheer force of its tank.

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The T2 transporters' designation is supported by more than just a tank and a cargo bay. They get active tanking bonuses as well as +2 warp scramble strength.

The Hulk can fit strip miners and gets bonuses to mining yield for its role.
…so you can't really compare the two because they are nothing alike. One is purposefully designed to take one hell of a beating; the other isn't. So yes, you illustrate quite nicely why your comparison doesn't work.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#837 - 2012-04-13 18:10:26 UTC
so tippia if you just said you cant compare the two why did you compare the two in your initial statement? oxymoronic much!?!?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#838 - 2012-04-13 18:17:51 UTC
Confirming the growth of the thread is accelerated when you feed the trolls. It would appear as the troll is fed a post the thread gains yet another post from the troll itself, the trolls post however goads other trolls to retort and throw out their own post that in turns goads the initial troll, gaining more and more trolls as the size of the thread peaks the interest of onlookers to join, so you can say. So the laws of trolling are; For every reply to the initial post of a troll, there is a response in reaction to said replies from the troll itself, Trolls attract trolls, ????, What's this thread about again?

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Whitehound
#839 - 2012-04-13 18:30:00 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Confirming the growth of the thread is accelerated when you feed the trolls. It would appear as the troll is fed a post the thread gains yet another post from the troll itself, the trolls post however goads other trolls to retort and throw out their own post that in turns goads the initial troll, gaining more and more trolls as the size of the thread peaks the interest of onlookers to join, so you can say. So the laws of trolling are; For every reply to the initial post of a troll, there is a response in reaction to said replies from the troll itself, Trolls attract trolls, ????, What's this thread about again?

See the page number.

42

\o/

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#840 - 2012-04-13 18:34:01 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Confirming the growth of the thread is accelerated when you feed the trolls. It would appear as the troll is fed a post the thread gains yet another post from the troll itself, the trolls post however goads other trolls to retort and throw out their own post that in turns goads the initial troll, gaining more and more trolls as the size of the thread peaks the interest of onlookers to join, so you can say. So the laws of trolling are; For every reply to the initial post of a troll, there is a response in reaction to said replies from the troll itself, Trolls attract trolls, ????, What's this thread about again?

See the page number.

42

\o/


That's brilliant.

???? has been changed to '42' aka the page point of no return and the answer to everything.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?