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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#1001 - 2012-04-16 14:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
baltec1 wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
9sec rof with 1400's


yea, thats not possible, not by a long shot.



Ho yes it is but I'll not tell you or you know what Lol
-I must agree on the fact that it's not exactly 9sec but at this point and with concord exploit like make it bounce belts or planets with an alt, even with 12sec (my worst rof with arty) I still can (under certain circumstances) put 3 holes on your 33k or whatever hulk that will not survive anyway.

You guys can keep coming with whatever argument you want, who ever here already lost and gank hulks knows this ship is unworthy and the best result of a very bad mining design activity and ships for.
An industry that doesn't need at any point mining barges or mining skills is another "fail" from my point of view that doesn't brings any simplicity but rather another "different" way of doing "things".

Fact is that small point plus small point and like it or not all details have a huge impact on many eve players and the game economy, now please care to explain me how good was for the game mining with guns (rogue drones) how good is for the game mining barges align/warp slower than an orca full cargo/rigs expanders and having a total ehp of a badly fitted T1 cruiser.

Care to explain how good this is for low sec and null sec when all the belts in null/low are empty of mining ships or just a noob that is about to go like pouf because he needs to learn the lesson "the hard way".

Whatever mining barges EHP they have and lol fittings we can discuss fact is that mining carier is badly designed from the bottom to the top and that survivability argument is just another symptom of it.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#1002 - 2012-04-16 14:37:47 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Overheating changes the damage multiplier? I thought it just changed the ROF? Roll

Now, with the Orca unfitting trick brought to my awareness by the Boomerang instruction thread (and which hasn't yet been declared an exploit to my knowledge) allowing the use of high value modules in a suicide gank I can get about 12.5k volley out of a 'nado with Quake and a full rack of RF Gyros - and while three of those would take out baltec's fit the requirement for the Orca inside fitting range of all three makes it more than a little awkward to achieve (though, granted, not impossible).


Arty/Rails/Beams (tachs can't say I don't use those and not in game to check) is ROF

Short range GUNS get +15% dmg

Missiles get launchers ROF

Quite simple, if you gank in 0.5 you have about 16/18 sec delay before concord target/jam/scram you, this is not enough to put 2 holes unless you make concord bounce with an alt, at this point you won your second shot even with 12sec rof.

Now hopefully for everyone in the game not every miner fits hulks like baltec, because high sec miners just don't shoot a pair of belt rats at 1M plus bounty leaving loot behind because isk/h is better in null...
Blahblahblah isk/h with Baltec mining barge you loose all will of living if you ever want to mine 10m3 of rocks.

By the way minerals at this point shouldn't even be available in null/low since nobody mines those.
So where come from all those trillions minerals in the market? -cheatengine? Lol
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1003 - 2012-04-21 14:32:28 UTC
Is this the like and get likes thread?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1004 - 2012-04-21 14:54:15 UTC
is now...

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1005 - 2012-04-21 17:18:43 UTC
Fair enough. D like my likes now please.
Whitehound
#1006 - 2012-04-21 19:08:43 UTC
I'd rather have hates than likes. Likes are gay.

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1007 - 2012-04-21 19:26:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nura Taron wrote:
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

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Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.



Thou irl you dont have somali pirates crashing into those with small gunboats just for the lolz .... irl they would either die or get killed soon after by the "authorities". In eve the police sinks your ship but doesent give a **** that your just going to hop into another one and continue.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#1008 - 2012-04-22 05:32:08 UTC
It has a tank bonus, indicating it was meant to tank something.

Dude on the first page made a point about fitting 1600s on an iteron...which is of course daft. But, spending less money than the hulk still gets you the occator, which can still fit a better shield tank than the hulk. (point of fact, it has two mid slots)

thhief ghabmoef

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#1009 - 2012-04-22 12:13:08 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
It has a tank bonus, indicating it was meant to tank something.



Yes, it was meant to tank 0.0 rats. Which it can do just fine.

What do you want it to be able to tank?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jeicam Mmis
BEEFCO.
#1010 - 2012-04-22 19:45:00 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Yeah, Hulk is a T2 BC sized ship with a sub-cruiser tank.
Fricken pathetic and should be addressed.

I do not advocate making Exhumers with super-tanks but at least something respectable for their size, cost and tech level.


orca boosted rokh \0/
Balori Sarn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1011 - 2012-05-24 12:03:46 UTC
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:

this is why miners are so hilarious to kill

since you don't understand ship fitting you start fitting inapproporiate deadspace mods

during the first great hulk jihad it was hilarious how many pubbies we convinced to fit a-type shield reps to resist ganks


Oh look, the dim wit troll can't help but make generalizations and use personal pronouns, assuming he knows everything about everyone.

Keep proving you're one of the sheep. That's a good boy.

its funny you call other people sheep while you're complaining your grazing is insufficently safe from predators

highsec miners are, without exception, dimwitted idiots who deserve the destruction meeted out to them


there's other reasons too why ppl mine in hi-sec u kno

personally i know numerous players that left nullsec because they were just fed up with all the (annoying) politics involved there.
They just get along their business in hi-sec and wormholes now.
BTW drop the attitude and insults your puberty is showing
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#1012 - 2012-05-24 20:55:41 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
never minned a day in my life other than that mission that made me mine once...

so i was looking at the hulk today and was wondering why there are so many high sec bear tears... when i noticed it had this awesome resist bonus profile but it cant fit a bloody LSE?!?!??!

either fix the damn ship ccp or add the 5th subsystem to TIII ships that are indy/minning based... shesh!


Now you know why it was choosen for Hulkageddon, if yer lookin for easy kills that can be racked up in a contest there is no easier kill than a hulk miner.

I'm an American, English is my second language...

Naradius
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1013 - 2012-05-24 23:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Naradius
Nura Taron wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nura Taron wrote:
I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.

[


Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship.

Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.



Errmmm, you mean, like the better tank they fit going through The Strait of Hormuz, or Gulf of Aden, to defend themselves from those evil pirates and Iranians...oh please, you just made the biggest mistake in EVE and compared it to IRL!! LOL

If you want to compare to RL, then whenever you mine take a military escort with you to beat back those hostile battleships...you noob!

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Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#1014 - 2012-05-25 08:18:28 UTC
talking about IRL in an internet spaceships game. seriously?

also: I love miner tears threads. +1 for 51 pages full of QQ

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destiny2
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1015 - 2012-05-25 11:23:02 UTC
problem with highsec miners is they dont fit a tank and then they get ship scanned and die. because they didnt fit a tank.

and then complain about it because it was their fault they didnt have a tank Roll

if you fly a retreiver might as well just use a battleship to mine in. as they mine as fast as a retreiver does. only difference being is low cargo space solution ? alt in a hauler or GSC all over the place :)