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so the hulk WTF CCP?!!?!?

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Myz Toyou
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#801 - 2012-04-13 15:45:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ildryn wrote:


^^ Baltec People are saying that a tornado gets two shots in high sec. thats two alphas.....heh




Not that guyWhat?

In any event arty nado can only do two vollies in 0.5 and 0.6 and even that isnt enough to kill a supertank hulkBlink



but...but...but my Hulk should be immune to all hostilities Sad
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#802 - 2012-04-13 15:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
baltec1 wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:


A simple T2 fit it's at worst 2 cycles for a gank 720 T2 hotwizer Hurricane. 1 Volley for a simple Tornado. 2 Volley for a single T1 fitted Neutron Talos.



Can I see this tornado fit that can alpha a 33k tank with 80% resists?


Of course not a 33K EHP dummy, you need 2 volley witch is so difficult to do in high sec right?

Now tell us how much mining you do with your 33K EHP Hulk every day in High sec? Lol

Then please look around in this very same forum, wait you posted in already, you know the guy in high sec ganking HULKS WITH A NEUTRON CATALYST SOLO ?

Blink


@ monkey above : I almost don't mine anymore because makes a lot of time I've understood that buying pax stuff, buying meta 0->4 and reprocess with my perfect skills or buying shuttles/some ships gives me a higher yeld than you'll ever get from your Hulk.

Nice try, come back latter, k? Lol
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#803 - 2012-04-13 15:49:24 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Maybe i'm ********, but you could just align your ship to station, then ctrl-space and when the baddy comes, almost instant warp.


You do realize that your ship has to reach 75% of its max speed before it can enter warp? For mining barges, exhumers, Orcas and freighters that will take a lot of time.
Mark Androcius
#804 - 2012-04-13 15:50:31 UTC
It saves a lot of time though

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#805 - 2012-04-13 15:51:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Thats a blocade runner not a deep space transport.


As far as I know DSTs have faster align time than triple plated Abaddon. I also know that it is possible to have quite tough tank on those things too. Way over 20k what a typical tanked Hulk has.

- Abaddon: over 14 seconds
- Hulk: over 16 seconds
- Abaddon has 200k+ EHP
- Hulk has only 20k+ EHP


So why would a ship that spends its time sitting in a belt suckling on rocks that don't move require a faster align time than a front line warship?

Incidently, the 800mm plated impel has a 20.4 second align time and thats a ship that is ment to be flying around hostile gates.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#806 - 2012-04-13 15:51:32 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Then please look around in this very same forum, wait you posted in already, you know the guy in high sec ganking HULKS WITH A NEUTRON CATALYST SOLO ?

Blink


Not a single one one of the catalyst's victims bothered fitting a full tank. Pilot ineptitude does not infer game imbalance.
Or it is not ineptitude and instead a calculated risk/reward decision on yield against chance of being suicide ganked, in which case the current level of suicide ganking is not a problem
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#807 - 2012-04-13 15:53:32 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:


Then please look around in this very same forum, wait you posted in already, you know the guy in high sec ganking HULKS WITH A NEUTRON CATALYST SOLO ?

Blink


@ monkey above : I almost don't mine anymore because makes a lot of time I've understood that buying pax stuff, buying meta 0->4 and reprocess with my perfect skills or buying shuttles/some ships gives me a higher yeld than you'll ever get from your Hulk.

Nice try, come back latter, k? Lol


Show me a neutron catalist that can kill a 29k buffer hulk
Jorma Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#808 - 2012-04-13 15:56:17 UTC
Everyone has the option to make their hulk more or less gankable: the issue is how willing they are to compromise their mining yield and income. However we should expect tornados to be fotm for Hulkageddon this May, because even though catalysts can be used, orcas are also on the table.
Prince Kobol
#809 - 2012-04-13 15:57:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
baltec1 wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:


A simple T2 fit it's at worst 2 cycles for a gank 720 T2 hotwizer Hurricane. 1 Volley for a simple Tornado. 2 Volley for a single T1 fitted Neutron Talos.



Can I see this tornado fit that can alpha a 33k tank with 80% resists?


Was thinking the same thing, I tested my hulk fit on SISI against with another character who has over 14m SP in gunnery with a variety of ships and it survived 3 volleys from a Nando with 1400mm arties sitting stationary at perfect range.

Before somebody say it, yes, I did test my fit on SISI because I'm not a lazy ass miner who expects to be able to sit afk with zero tank mining Big smile
Whitehound
#810 - 2012-04-13 15:57:42 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Maybe i'm ********, but you could just align your ship to station, then ctrl-space and when the baddy comes, almost instant warp.

The problem is that it is not always going to help, nor is it a good argument to suggest to run away. You only need to take a destroyer and fly innocently around between the asteriods. Some miners not only dock, but they leave the system. The "fun balance" is far too much on the side of the gankers.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#811 - 2012-04-13 15:57:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:


Then please look around in this very same forum, wait you posted in already, you know the guy in high sec ganking HULKS WITH A NEUTRON CATALYST SOLO ?

Blink


@ monkey above : I almost don't mine anymore because makes a lot of time I've understood that buying pax stuff, buying meta 0->4 and reprocess with my perfect skills or buying shuttles/some ships gives me a higher yeld than you'll ever get from your Hulk.

Nice try, come back latter, k? Lol


Show me a neutron catalist that can kill a 29k buffer hulk


Search by yourself the post (last week) of a crying ganker having a huge number or mining barges/exumers killed with a single Catalyst, was pretty funny. You posted in, you should remember the congrats you give right?

bah, your 33K ehp story's geting old, go back to vfk probe those neutrals instead of writing silly stuff Lol (tount heh)
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#812 - 2012-04-13 15:59:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…so how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?


Whats an Iteron cost exactly again? I seem to have forgotten..
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#813 - 2012-04-13 16:00:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So why would a ship that spends its time sitting in a belt suckling on rocks that don't move require a faster align time than a front line warship?


Someone just thought it would "replace T2 transport ships". I just wanted to show that with current stats it's not going to happen.

Front line warship? Only place I can see Abaddons is Amarr main station undock. No-one is stupid enough to use armor ships in combat. It's only Drakes, Tengus, Hurricanes and weird shield tanked Gallente ships.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#814 - 2012-04-13 16:03:04 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:


Search by yourself the post (last week) of a crying ganker having a huge number or mining barges/exumers killed with a single Catalyst, was pretty funny. You posted in, you should remember the congrats you give right?

bah, your 33K ehp story's geting old, go back to vfk probe those neutrals instead of writing silly stuff Lol (tount heh)


The guy wiped out hulks that had no tank. Most of the kills were macks which also had either no tank or a very poor active tank. A 29k buffer hulk is immune to a destroyer.
Mark Androcius
#815 - 2012-04-13 16:03:56 UTC
Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Jorma Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#816 - 2012-04-13 16:04:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So why would a ship that spends its time sitting in a belt suckling on rocks that don't move require a faster align time than a front line warship?


Someone just thought it would "replace T2 transport ships". I just wanted to show that with current stats it's not going to happen.

Front line warship? Only place I can see Abaddons is Amarr main station undock. No-one is stupid enough to use armor ships in combat. It's only Drakes, Tengus, Hurricanes and weird shield tanked Gallente ships.


Maybe you don't know about Thundercat fleets, RnK fleets with archon triage suppot, or any armor-bonused WH systems... But apparently you don't know much.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#817 - 2012-04-13 16:04:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So why would a ship that spends its time sitting in a belt suckling on rocks that don't move require a faster align time than a front line warship?


Someone just thought it would "replace T2 transport ships". I just wanted to show that with current stats it's not going to happen.

Front line warship? Only place I can see Abaddons is Amarr main station undock. No-one is stupid enough to use armor ships in combat. It's only Drakes, Tengus, Hurricanes and weird shield tanked Gallente ships.


Clearly you have not been to 0.0 for some time.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#818 - 2012-04-13 16:05:02 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds.

So in other words having tank is insanely important.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#819 - 2012-04-13 16:06:29 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Another thing, if a hulk is warp scrambled, it doesn't matter how much tank it has, unless it has more then enough to last 30 seconds.


Concord will drop in at 10 seconds in 0.7 space and around 20 seconds in 0.6-0.5. That gives an arty nado only two vollies to kill its target.
Whitehound
#820 - 2012-04-13 16:07:26 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
The ehp on a hulk is fine. Small ships should be able to take it out in gangs. Providing it is properly fit....with tank.
Hulks are not worth what they are being sold for....they are just sold that high because people can get away with it.
I used a 14million isk frig to take out a 100million isk t2 fit raven before.....does that mean that the raven needs a buff?
No it means people need to play smarter and tank their **** or use something that does tank. It really is simple as that.

No, the eHP is not fine. One should only need to use the mid-slots and not every available option to get a decent tank out of it. And the eHP fits given here are only useful against a particular gank, but in general is the tank just weak.

One can take out a cap with a frigate, if you let it. It is not a smart argument. Maybe when you want people to be smarter, then start with yourself.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.