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What your not realising is that different countries have different laws on what is acceptable and legal on the internet. Drunken rants on the internet can get you jailed in the EU and Icelandic law is the same now that their appication to join the EU has been accepted.

Freedom of speech is not absolute it has consequenses. You are free to express opinion, culture and faith you are not free to threaten, harrass and bully. That is the line Alexander stepped over He is just damn lucky the consequenses werent a hell of a lot worse for him, the wiz and for eve as a whole. He should be thankful not indignant.

Hopefully CCP and CSM7 will find a solution that fits.

It is difficult. Mittens as alliance leader did nothing wrong in his alliance presentation. Most of us did not like it and felt disgusted about it, but there was no sanctionable action in this presentation and it was roleplay. The thing went over top in the spontaneous Q&A session. And yes, it went not just slightly over the top, but really utterly bad. Alex should not have gotten this drunk, he certainly should not given out the name by any means. He did not find the line between his ingame role as alliance leader of a villainous alliance and the real life consequences of calling out for harresment of a specific player. It was a clear mistake and it needs to be sanctioned by CCP. Beside that, we are all humans and we do make mistakes.

But does that all connect to his work for CSM ??
My personal opinion is, that his knowledge about the game, his proven track record in prior CSM and the total absence of abuse his position as a CSM for the events that happend in the Alliance panel outweights his bad mistake as a drunken alliance leader.

Every real life democracy protects its elected representatives from legal sanctions for the time of their period. Yes, there are procedures to remove the legal immunity from a representative during his period of election, but in most cases this is tied to abuse of the power they got elected for and it has to be decided by a broad plenum, which usually comprises other elected representatives.

On the other side CCP/EVE is not a democracy and CSM is only a tool for CCP to source player feedback (and review some interal controll processes concering ingame abuse of knowledge by CCP employees).

Nevertheless, i hope for a solution, that makes use of Alexander Gianturco's knowledge and compassion about this game for the benefit of us all, but also makes clear, that he distended his roleplay as the Mittani over the limits of ethical acceptance by far.

A Mittani-less CSM7 does not represent the players.

May as well scrap it and wait for CSM8.

It's funny that so many people are upset for CCP following their own policies. HE did something that broke the EULA/TOS and HE had to pay. He should feel lucky that he was only banned for 30 days, and not a lifetime ban. Don't blame CCP for HIS actions, HE did it himself. Blame HIM. It's HIS own fault.

I actually believe what happened is a good thing because it shows that CCP isn't playing favorites. They knew the GOONs would be upset, but went ahead anyway. I applaud CCP for being steadfast on their policies, and don't make exceptions for anyone.

Goons you owe everyone a taco!!!!!!!!!!

No. That's why I post with my main.

And you? This is your main?

I applaud CCP for taking an affirmative, responsible and mature approach to resolving this matter. No one is above reproach, and no one persons contributions are so great as to warrant a pass for this sort of drunken, boorish, and offensive behavior

I have heard some members of the CSM not supporting this decision, and I am likewise disappointed, as you guys do not get it. Fanfest is a chance for CCP to speak about upcoming products and releases, show an appreciation for their players, and to celebrate what has already been achieved. This immature and disgusting episode robbed us all and CCP of that opportunity

As a result, many players have unsubscribed in their initial outrage, and the press was full of reports not of the upcoming release of Dust 514 and the like, but rather how once again EVE is not a good place to game, and CCP tacitly endorses griefing and bullying of the worst sort

Given that, and the extreme level of outrage over this event from many, many people in the player base, who do not see this incident as a trifle, there was no choice but to ban The Mittani for 30 days and have him tender his resignation. None of us knows whether The Mittani resigned completely of his own volition or under direction from CCP, but either way the result is the same, The Mittani had to go.

To do otherwise on the part of CCP would have been a terrible business decision, and would have shown nothing but indifference the the legitimate outrage many people who play this game and financially support the continuation of EVE. Do not blame CCP but rather blame the Mittani and his own irresponsible behavior. None of us asked him to act the fool on the international stage. The Mittani did that all by himself. Now he has answered for it

The problem is a Mittani-led CSM6 didn't represent "the players" either. It represented a selection of nullsec voting blocs interests without really caring about the wider issues in the game. CSM6 was noteworthy for removing transparency and accountability from the CSM process (no more internal meeting minutes) for cloaking decision making behind committee head (we couldn't see who believed what) and for initially schmoozing with the MT devs when they should have been protesting Incarna.

Lets remember Mittani is infamous for getting drunk with CCP Monocle and telling him that the players of Eve would be cool with a "gold scorpion" purchased entirely with Aurum and no other input.

First formal summit CSM came home from Iceland with nothing but a badly written set of formal minutes (that took MONTHS to agree) and did nothing to answer player fears about Incarna whatsoever and would lead on to the release of possibly the worst "expansion" in Eve Online's history.

Rage happened and it was rage from the player base with the Jita Riots and beginning of the unsub protest.

During the "emergency summit" Mittens appeared on Eve TV with CCP thousand dollar jeans in a joint address assuring people it was all sorted and everyone was happy now. He came back from the summit with a Nevil Chamberlain-esq "peace in our time" paper that did absolutely NOTHING to mollify the rage and anger of the Eve player base.

Protests continued, threadnaughts continued, unsubs continued.

The only thing that turned the CCP ship around was the public Mea culpa from Hilmar and announcement of the crunch to Crucible and significant restructuring of the company.

Now in this I say to you that Alexander Gianturco as chair provided very POOR leadership and representation of the player base and didn't at any time have a full grasp of precisely what people were protesting about.

And of course then we had the christmas minutes which were another fiasco. Released late and indistinct, with the CSM being refered to as "the csm" (not individual reps) and being on record as anonymously saying some very stupid things about game development and priority.

Wormholes -what are they?
FW -is for noobs isn't it?
Hisec -lol carebears?

There was a player backlash and some of the rest of the CSM broke ranks with Gianturco and announced they had personally been "for" or "against" certain things to assure people they were not part of the collective.

What did Gianturco achieve?

I think his legacy is in removing transparency and accountability from the CSM and turning into a skype channel social club for nullsec alliance leaders to get their jollies from drinking in Iceland. He will be remembered as the guy who gave CCP Monocle the nod on MT delivery of spaceships, the guy that appeared with CCP thousand dollar jeans and said "crisis what crisis" and the guy that tried to run CSM like the goonswarm executive division pulling strings and puppet-mastering the other reps and announcing all decisions in an eery (but unbelievable) unity.

And finally. He'll be forever remembered as the unacceptable face of cyber-bullying and player harrassment in Eve Online in a role that puts him up there with Aris Bakhtanians as a villain then gaming media can get behind condemning. His drunken antics in calling a player to be harrassed to suicide with a wizards hat and cheesy smile will never be forgotten.

Nor will his 11th hour attempt to cling onto power by having his sychophants on the CSM forge a shoddy compromise with CCP where he kept his position despite clear breach of CSM guidelines and basic Eve code of conduct that would have any other player booted to a ban immediately.

So even when he could have kept some dignity by simply resigning as promised he waited too long and got kicked out proving himself a failure even in choosing the manner of his own demise.

Eve online and the CSM is far the better for this guy leaving the stage.

They consulted the CSM, CCP simply disagreed with the CSM's position that it was possible for Alexander Gianturco to continue as a CSM member.

Bump