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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#881 - 2012-03-29 10:51:28 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
You people are too short sighted. Within a year the ban will be long over and he'll be elected to CSM8 with well over 10058 votes as some sort of Eve troll folk hero. Stop crying, take it like Goons, plan your comeback. It's not like you haven't done it before.

I wonder if Mittens can be arsed to go for another term though. This turn of events would be extremely demotivating for most ppl.
Marduua Damman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#882 - 2012-03-29 10:56:52 UTC
I'm just just god-dammed amazed. - I thought the player base had more brains and compassion!

I've written about 4 replies describing how I feel about the majority of the comments here. Deleted them all and started again.

Perhaps bullet points will do


  • GET SOME F__KING PERSPECTIVE!
  • SUICIDE IS SERIOUS
  • YOUR VOTES DON'T MATTER


M is living the consequences of his actions, and from what I can gather, he understands this too.

CCP has reacted well in the situation.



Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#883 - 2012-03-29 11:10:08 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
Katrina Bekers wrote:
Nice that all most of the comments cheering up the CCP move come from characters in NPC corps.

Where are your balls, gentlemen?

Are you one of those rare ppl who still hold e-honor in high regards?



In that case, he is also too mentally attached to the game and can't differentiate reality and virtual worlds like many of his fellow corp/alliance/coalition mates as well as their leader.
Sedilis
Lead Farmers
#884 - 2012-03-29 11:19:01 UTC
30 day ban fair enough
Stepping down as chair is a good gesture
Leaving CSM7? Way over the top...

I while I voted for Two Step, the CSM without Mittens will be greatly diminished. His ability to rally the council to speak with one voice helped get the game through its most difficult year in 2011. I hope this decision gets reversed because the players and CCP need you on this council.
T'hena Kha'tek
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#885 - 2012-03-29 11:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: T'hena Kha'tek
Quote:
10 058 bees after you.


Grow a spine would you and get your facts straight.
There is only 8323 people in your alliance and out of the 123 corps under your umbrella, 3601 are under the gewns ticker. So even if all 8323 voted which is highly unlikey unless all corp's kick inactive members after 4-6 weeks your only looking at 2000-3000 active players based on a 1.8 vote per person with a few other alliances in CFC making up the numbers.

So No there is probably only 2-3k bumble bees and the rest are Pubbies arent they ?
Maul555
Xen Investments
#886 - 2012-03-29 11:44:09 UTC
Hey guys, great day for a thread, eh?... I just thought I would put in my 2 cents and say that I did not participate in CSM elections and this has little or no effect on me. That being said, Mittens did the right thing by stepping down as chairmen, but I think that throwing him off the CSM is a bit much. As someone else said, what did CCP think would happen when you put a bunch of professional assholes in one room, get them drunk, and put them on TV?

BTW, none of my statements should lead CCP to believe that cutting back on alcohol at fan fest would be a good idea...
Merasa Tro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#887 - 2012-03-29 11:48:02 UTC
If (in the real world) I voted for a party or politician who ended up doing something stupid, and he resigned, my vote would be 'lost', its just the way democracy works.

Some random bloke I've never heard of would be put in as the replacement, or a vote might be forced, depends on your countrys rules on 'democary'.

I voted for a CSM delegate that didnt even get in, is my vote 'lost'? No.. Its the way the system works.

The same system works for CSM, time to find the rule book, or create a rule now based on this precident.. Its not like it could NEVER happen again.
Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#888 - 2012-03-29 11:53:08 UTC
Eve isnt real life. Eve is Eve, dont try and make comparisons.

My opinion is that a total revote should take place.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Lance Starfury
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#889 - 2012-03-29 11:58:07 UTC
Andski wrote:


Good, all goons delete your accounts please


I will resubscribe 4 more accounts and entice the 100's of people I know to also come back to Eve. Thanks for doing the right thing CCP, GREAT work.

Of course, the best part is simply the IRONY of a goon being gooned :P When the shoe is on the other foot, it is not so funny is it. Hahahahahahahahahah to infinity!!!

love and wet sloppy kisses.
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#890 - 2012-03-29 11:58:18 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Eve isnt real life. Eve is Eve, dont try and make comparisons.

My opinion is that a total revote should take place.


Revote cuz of one delegate stepping down/being kicked out? Brotha plz....
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#891 - 2012-03-29 12:05:03 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Katrina Bekers wrote:
Nice that all most of the comments cheering up the CCP move come from characters in NPC corps.

Where are your balls, gentlemen?

(This without any comment on the merit of the decision itself, the panel events, or anything related to loving/hating Goons. Just pointing out how rotten the woodwork should be, for these cockroaches to come crawling out of it.)


Not empty quoting


Looks like you're really saying - Don't look at the 'Tracks Of My Tears'.

Sylvia Tran
Sylvia Tran's Transporation Services
#892 - 2012-03-29 12:09:16 UTC
Andski wrote:

hahahahahahahahahah
Agonising Ecstacy
Chaos Army
#893 - 2012-03-29 12:09:26 UTC
Mittens,

This only happened because you didn't have your Douche Canoe Protection Insurance. Avoid future costly errors, by depositing 10058 million isks into the wallet of Agonising Ecstacy. A certificate will be issued forthwith, indemnifying you against the costs of such blunders in the future.

Amidoinitrite?
Kai Pirinha
#894 - 2012-03-29 12:16:20 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
His ability to rally the council to speak with one voice helped get the game through its most difficult year in 2011.

That may well be the case, but this gives im no way the right to act in anyway as he did!
And considering what he did, a 30 day ban is very, very, very generous.

I said it before and I'll say it again: he can be so lucky nobody's pressing charges against him, he'd end up in jail for the attempt to drive a person towards suicide and for abetting thousands (10.058?) of other people to do the same.

It's so sad to see that most of you goon pets don't realize what he has done.

At least he did realize it and stepped down (or maybe was forced to step down, who really cares, fact is he is gone and he is fine with it! Deal with it!)

Hello World

Swearte Widfarend
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#895 - 2012-03-29 12:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Swearte Widfarend
Last night I took the time to read the CSM White Paper, which justifies CCP's actions in the removal of The Mittani from CSM 6 and voiding his election in CSM 7.

However that does not resolve the outstanding issue of the 14 CSM members. The Mittani was removed from CMS 6 due to a EULA/TOS violation, which then precludes his ability to be on CSM 7. This action occurred prior to the engagement of CSM 7. I've been trying to recall a RL comparison, because this happened prior to the announcement of CSM 7 winners.

Frankly, I think the best option is for CCP to re-open the polls for those who have now been disenfranchised (and those who chose not to vote previously). Existing votes would stand as-is.

Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth.

John Zorg
State War Academy
Caldari State
#896 - 2012-03-29 12:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: John Zorg
Marduua Damman wrote:
I'm just just god-dammed amazed. - I thought the player base had more brains and compassion!

I've written about 4 replies describing how I feel about the majority of the comments here. Deleted them all and started again.

Perhaps bullet points will do


  • GET SOME F__KING PERSPECTIVE!
  • SUICIDE IS SERIOUS
  • YOUR VOTES DON'T MATTER


M is living the consequences of his actions, and from what I can gather, he understands this too.

CCP has reacted well in the situation.





Suicide is serious yes... studies have shown that most victims of suicide never cry out publically, and those that do are mostly attention seekers. What happens in EVE stays in EVE, if you have a problem don't call out in public for help, go to someone you trust and that you know can help you. And to say it again, to shout "I am going to commit suicide" over a game... really... grow up.

I have been there so I know what it's really about.

CCP instead of just ignoring it and letting it blow over has over reacted, made it known to all and now there is a shitstorm over it. PR needs to learn when to do what...

Banning him yes I can understand that, but kicking him from the CSM, after he saved your game last year, that was the dumbest thing CCP did since the T20 saga...
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#897 - 2012-03-29 12:35:52 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
...

This unprecedented situation raises significant questions -- such as representation and disenfranchisement -- that CSM6 will be discussing with CCP and with the new members of CSM7 over the next few days. I think I can speak for everyone on CSM when I ask for your patience while we work through these issues.
I voted for another candidate and feel fully represented on the CSM.

Prior to Fanfest, I was ambivalent about Gianturco's reign as CSM chairman. Goons will be goons, after all. Post Fanfest and having seen the video footage of the alliance panel circus, I have no interest in being represented by such a person.

For those who consider themselves to be disenfranchised, consider that it was their candidate's own words and actions which put himself into this position. Of their free will *cough* they put Gianturco into the position of CSM Chairman and he royally ****** it up. They have nobody to blame but themselves for this situation.

No matter how the situation is twisted, turned and muddied up by Goons and sycophantic CSM representatives such as yourself, it was Gianturco's RL actions which put his chairmanship at-risk.

Deal. With. It.

+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark “Seleene” Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.

Kai Pirinha
#898 - 2012-03-29 12:38:12 UTC
John Zorg wrote:
[quote=Marduua Damman]studies have shown that most victims of suicide never cry out publically, and those that do are mostly attention seekers. What happens in EVE stays in EVE, if you have a problem don't call out in public for help, go to someone you trust and that you know can help you. And to say it again, to shout "I am going to commit suicide" over a game... really... grow up.

I have been there so I know what it's really about.

CCP instead of just ignoring it and letting it blow over has over reacted, made it known to all and now there is a shitstorm over it. PR needs to learn when to do what...

Banning him yes I can understand that, but kicking him from the CSM, after he saved your game last year, that was the dumbest thing CCP did since the T20 saga...

Great, try to downplay it all you want. Just another goons ... who cannot see what really happened and how serious this is.

Hey I got news for you, buddy, the guy you voted for and you are trying to defend has a different opinion about it than you. He accepted it and saw that he was wrong. You don't.

So you are even worse than him.

Can I haz your stuff when you quit?

Hello World

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#899 - 2012-03-29 12:39:00 UTC
The funny thing is, this oh so tears makers, destroyers of our gameplay, griefers 24/7 and so on and so on, CRY like hell, and they sure are oh so fun to watch It's awesome.

The guy in the fault already admitted his fault, is the only one man enough to HTFU and take responsibility for his actions, move on, and use all this as fuel, all the other drones were just programmed to cry on their latest update !!
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#900 - 2012-03-29 12:43:00 UTC
Two step wrote:
I disagree with this decision, and am working hard with CCP to make sure the 10,058 Goons and Goon Alts that voted for Alex have their voice heard.

More to come, just wanted to make sure I had a spot on the first page


FYP