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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Jim Luc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#481 - 2012-03-29 00:03:17 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
Jim Luc wrote:
If he stepped down as CHAIR only, why did this devblog state that he was stepping down from CSM6 and subsequently CSM7? Did I read the blog correctly, or am I mistaken somehow? If so then I think quite a few others are also mistaken here lol Ugh

cause ccp axed him , as they should ..
30 day ban is a minor thing


I see... yep - this whole thing is CCP's fault. There never would've been stupid articles (and I enjoy reading Brendan Drain over at Massively, but his article was completely dumb), there never would've been any of this had CCP not released a completely moronic press release acting as if Mittani had actively threatened someone. I've got to say this just ruins all of the fun and excitement that FanFest was. I really hope that the rest of CSM is able to convince the morons at CCP to find some common sense...
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#482 - 2012-03-29 00:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Offtopic link removed. Spitfire
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
#483 - 2012-03-29 00:03:35 UTC
Quote:
I want to offend you. You're dumb.
PLEX. NOT. GENERATED. The only time it appears out of thin air is for buddy program subscriptions. EVERY other plex in game is bought, with real money.
If CSM voting doesn't reflect players maybe those other players need to....vote maybe?


0.0 economy is kinda special, I was told in fanfest that people gain more that in incursions and titans were built out of drones salvages, but I'm not sure this is really for truth. Sorry, I try to participate and understand, and still think that the 10k people were not 10k. I definitively agree that we need more votes to have a better shape.

Quote:
I'm not sure you understand how this whole business thing works...


I'd gladly read any explanation on the matter. I allways learn, that helps being a dumb moron, you can allways progress !
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#484 - 2012-03-29 00:03:44 UTC
(a) delicious tears
(b) the established procedure has in the past been to replace the CSM candidate with an alternate, so this is consistent
(c) the CSM has never been an independent entity that CCP has to answer to. They mostly do, but not because they must. It goes the other way around. This is plain obvious from the fact that CCP decides eligibility which is completely orthogonal to independence.
(d) Mittani is, as a CSM6 member, still also under NDA and whatnot. There may be additional clauses there about public appearances in an official function? If not, I guess there will be in the future
(e) if the broadcast is equaled to the forums, where such a remark is not allowed, and such an incident would have rendered one ineligible for candidacy if done before the election, this move is consistent. There is no diplomatic immunity for CSM members as far as I know.
(f) it is sad for the 10k accounts (3k actual players?) that placed their trust in him, but this is eve and trust gets betrayed in curious ways
(g) it is curious how everything every CSM so far did and built up is attributed by so many to one person in one CSM term. sheep.

Best of luck to the remaining original CSM7 and congratulations to the alternate. Your job didn't get any easier. 10k accounts will now, and for another year, always tell you that Mittani would have done it better. Regardless of what you do and how you do it.
Golar Crexis
Donald Trump Real Estate
#485 - 2012-03-29 00:03:44 UTC
sakurako wrote:
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.


ccp are being fair and treating him as just any other player, but i do think a rerun of the election with out him is in order here



Oh no I agree with the sentiment that mittens should be held accountable. I can even accept CCP punishing him fo violating the Eula/tos (harrasment). But to remove him from csm 7 is just such a kick in the face.
Rebnok
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#486 - 2012-03-29 00:03:49 UTC
so if any of you 10,058 have titans or aeon / nyx's holla at me, i can get you in a proper alliance with a couple fine csm reps.

no troll no scams, Just proper csm representation.

Titan buff coming m8's
ForgottenStar
Perkone
Caldari State
#487 - 2012-03-29 00:03:51 UTC
Let me get this straight. So one twilight fan got upset because someone hurt his feelings, and all the other twilight fans got their panties in a knot and started posting with self medication tips and checking into therapy.....

Man up and move out of your moms basement, shes tired of doing your laundry.


Welcome to the world where the slighted minority rules the world with a butter-knife made of hurt feelings.


Iceland, your viking ancestors are ashamed.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#488 - 2012-03-29 00:03:53 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
sakurako wrote:
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.


ccp are being fair and treating him as just any other player, but i do think a rerun of the election with out him is in order here



Previous CSMs have been kicked out of the CSM while still technically in office for breaking CSM rules and there is no precedent of a re-run. Just as previous CSMs have gone afk during the process also wasting the votes entrusted to their run.

Sorry to be blunt but next time entrust your votes to a more stable candidate who knows how to behave in front of the cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#489 - 2012-03-29 00:04:28 UTC
So many delicious Goon tears... Give me more...
needwaffles
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#490 - 2012-03-29 00:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: needwaffles
I request that goneswarm make living in high sec for the Term of CSM 7 to be unlivable.

I demand an all ice interdiction.
I demand Jita camps
I demand lvl 4 systems to be ganked
I demand smash and burn.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#491 - 2012-03-29 00:05:42 UTC
Lol @ goon pleb nerd rage

Why blame CCP? All they did was enforcing the TOS/EULA and gave Mittens a temp ban. You all know they had no other choice.

He resigned from his position as CSM chair, probably because he felt it was the right thing to do. Read his apology again if you are unsure about his view on the events. I find this unfortunate and I'm sorry Mittani, but not for this ridiculous bunch of whining hypocrites..

If you feel betrayed, maybe talk with him about it? Or you can also just

~deal with it~

.
Contorted
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#492 - 2012-03-29 00:06:39 UTC
Since when is it possible to remove someone from a democratic elected position without a motion of no-confidence?
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#493 - 2012-03-29 00:06:47 UTC
Axhind wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Axhind wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.

In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.

EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet.

Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.



As another European I can freely call you fascist dog. Europe has benefits but fascist **** laws for censorship of speech are not it. At the same time as you have to ***** foot around serious issues we all get butt raped by our dear politicians but hey they are at least preventing us to say thing they don't like. This is one thing where europe should take after US instead of introducing just more and more idiotic censorship laws.


clearly I disagree with you, so does the law fortunatly, did you think the muamba sentence was unfair then?



OFC it was. Who cares what some dude writes? Far better to allow saying few things that might make someone upset than to start banning anything that might make someone upset. For anything you say there will be someone who will give you **** for it.

UK especially is ******** to hell and back with it's laws about speech. Even more than germany and france who are both already bad enough with the laws controlling what people can say about ww2.

It never ends. Just more and more things get censored until you will not be allowed to open your mouth for the fright of breaking some idiotic law.


Or maybe we start treating each other with more consideration and respect, maybe we start to look past issues of gender, race sexuality, etc and actually learn to empathise.Freedom or speech is not without consequenses nor is it an absolute right in the EU. When I look at our past its pretty obvious why these principles are enshrined in European law or can you not see that?
Valkyria Caeli
Doomheim
#494 - 2012-03-29 00:07:06 UTC
GunslingerBob wrote:
I can't be bothered to read this entire threadnaught, but I'll have you know this:

Unless CCP does the correct thing and holds a re-vote for ALL positions, I will be dropping this game like a steaming pile of elephant dung.

For a company that spouts about democracy and whatnot, they sure do love to pull one over on their customers.


So wait, you mean we might be in danger of loosing 10,058 Goons and their friends over thisQuestionQuestionQuestion

.......

wait..., help me here, what was the down side?
Ebon Rue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#495 - 2012-03-29 00:07:06 UTC
There was no need to throw Alex under the bus like this. CSM6 is the reason I gave enough of a **** to vote this year for CSM7, now you're dropping the ban hammer on my vote too?

Alex has gone above and beyond in taking ownership for his actions. He even took ownership over the fact that he let himself get intoxicated enough to say something like that, he hasn't shirked a single gram of responsibility for his actions.

You went too far. I want the guy I voted for given his voice back on CSM7. He was an influential part of the CSM6 team that Got **** Done.
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
#496 - 2012-03-29 00:07:08 UTC
Rebnok wrote:
so if any of you 10,058 have titans or aeon / nyx's holla at me, i can get you in a proper alliance with a couple fine csm reps.

no troll no scams, Just proper csm representation.

Titan buff coming m8's


You should buy me a Titan you space rich bastard.

Also, cripes jade constantine still posts? Oh well.

Half of you people should stop raging so much tbh. Go outside, have a beer!
sakurako
State War Academy
Caldari State
#497 - 2012-03-29 00:07:18 UTC
Revii Lagoon wrote:
sakurako wrote:
Golar Crexis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its a very fair decision from CCP and will gain a large degree of respect from the wider gaming media I believe.

Well done CCP, I am very impressed.




Excuse me for this but **** you, Seriously go **** yourself (in game RP terms here).

I voted for the mittani and this is not what I want to see, its not what the 10000 supporters wanted to see.
I understand you are unfamiliar with democracy (coming from earlier csm's were the vote count was so low as to be non-existant) however I am completely shocked that CCP would ignore the wishes of over 10000 paying customers.

If you had any sense of fairness you'd be joining us and asking CCP about the 10000.


ccp are being fair and treating him as just any other player, but i do think a rerun of the election with out him is in order here


We do not want a rerun, we want the person we rightfully elected to CSM to actually be on the CSM.


wait you want someone that broke the rules "stated by ccp" and told others to brake them aswell to still be on the csm.
can't face the punishment don't break the rules

10k+ players didn't break the rules he did and has to be punished taking him of the csm is a punishment

if he broke the nda would you want him on this is the same thing he broke rules/agreements
Golar Crexis
Donald Trump Real Estate
#498 - 2012-03-29 00:07:27 UTC
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Jade Constantine wrote:



Previous CSMs have been kicked out of the CSM while still technically in office for breaking CSM rules and there is no precedent of a re-run. Just as previous CSMs have gone afk during the process also wasting the votes entrusted to their run.

Sorry to be blunt but next time entrust your votes to a more stable candidate who knows how to behave in front of the cameras.



I respect those opinions and the facts that yes this has happened to previous CSM's.

What I find absolutely disgusting though is your (and other peoples) attitude and demeanor and opinions about the people who supported the mittani.
Mortuus Adamo
Wipe Corp.
#499 - 2012-03-29 00:07:38 UTC
Contorted wrote:
Since when is it possible to remove someone from a democratic elected position without a motion of no-confidence?


Since that democratic elected position is under overlords. aka "Kings" in history. and CCP is EVEs King. Not goons.
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
#500 - 2012-03-29 00:07:39 UTC
somehow, some of the posters presume I am in some way part of goons swarm. I am an independent griefer and and quite regularly tell people in local chat to crawl in a hole an die.

I am simply standing up for what is BS and those that think they are being white knights saving some poor SOB from his drama queen self is somehow a good thing. Maybe we should all get on the band wagon so he never can undock again, keep those locator agents busy if that is the case. That is just part of the game. Be a douche bag, people target you. It happens. And Wis being a drama queen is being a douchebag.

Don't call it a sandbox if you are going to turn it in to a litter box CCP.

At least I am not hiding behind a brand new alt, come at me Bro. I can perma target you until you want to kill your self too. Oh wait, that was a hypothetical, non serious situational dramatization. This is too much stress. I may have to Kill myself now. I just can't take it anymore!