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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#281 - 2012-03-28 03:12:21 UTC
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#282 - 2012-03-28 03:23:09 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll
Henriette Malia Alette
Doomheim
#283 - 2012-03-28 03:26:55 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:
We can put it to the test you know.. our news are a bit boring.. im sure i can get some news channel to pick it up..i even be fair.. i give them a link to Mitanni's performance on the fanfeast, and one to Issler's statement.. wanna beat which one gonna be in the news?

The Mittani is most likely going away. Issler, within days of winning a seat, is already belittling her colleagues and players of this game. The Mittani is not going to be on the CSM anymore. Issler has a year to be completely divisive. Tell me again who is doing more damage to the CSM?

News outlets have nothing to do with it.


Actually, i find her refreshingly open, and honest.. pretty muc everything most politicians isnt.. and ppl wonder why other ppl never vote? - why ? - bcause politicians dont stand up, speak theyre mind, and do so truthfully.. "He is a politician - u cant trust him" - rings a bell?

Issler, like any other candidate ISNT on the CSM to play nice with mittens, she is there to represent people, and ensure that what goes on in CSM, what she stands for and what every one else stands for isnt sweept under the carpet, and hidden in "joint statements" saying nothing. We had enuff of that crap already.. to much null in CSM, to much politics. The part where we vote, and the ppl voted for just "vanish" to emerge a year later stating "i worked in CSM" meaning nothing - its a part we need removed from this game..

And trust me, if u wanna see eve fail epicly, burning to the ground, all it takes is CSM to pretend as nothing, CCP to pretend as nothing, Mittani - as usual not giving a **** RL or in eve.. and a a clever reporter with some free time on his hands to see Mittani's little stunt, and read this forums.. i can see the tv-show host already:
"SO this game has a playervoted leader whom not only mocks a suicidal player, OPENLY states his names - no - , he encourages players to help him out drive the guy to the ground, and if you thought thats bad, just wait until you find out that EVE's playerbase supports his actions" *WHOMP* kiss ure eve-ass goodbye... Elected CSM members like Issler making statements may be what actually would SAVE EVE in such a situation.

Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#284 - 2012-03-28 03:27:33 UTC
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll


Actually, yes. Yes they do. "Kill yourself irl" is a thing you see goons, esp Mittens, say all the time.
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2012-03-28 03:34:14 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll


Actually, yes. Yes they do. "Kill yourself irl" is a thing you see goons, esp Mittens, say all the time.


Your point? Why do you care if I tell another goon to kill himself, or that his post was so bad that I'm going to kill myself?
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2012-03-28 03:34:34 UTC
oh right, pubbies with axes to grind
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#287 - 2012-03-28 03:39:03 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll


Actually, yes. Yes they do. "Kill yourself irl" is a thing you see goons, esp Mittens, say all the time.



is it now? can goons verify this?
Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#288 - 2012-03-28 03:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Steph Wing
D Derp wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll


Actually, yes. Yes they do. "Kill yourself irl" is a thing you see goons, esp Mittens, say all the time.


Your point? Why do you care if I tell another goon to kill himself, or that his post was so bad that I'm going to kill myself?


I don't. I don't care at all, in fact I've come to expect it from goons.

Hence why I don't see what the fuss is about what Mittens said at the panel. My point was that it'd be hypocritical to be upset over that and not over goons posting "kill yourself irl" on various fora. Which, for the record, I don't think anyone should be.
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#289 - 2012-03-28 03:56:21 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
D Derp wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
This is not a CSM issue.

Mittens was on the panel not as the chairman of the CSM, but as the leader of Goonswarm. And the leadership of Goonswarm routinely tells people to kill themselves.

Not seeing an issue.



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll


Actually, yes. Yes they do. "Kill yourself irl" is a thing you see goons, esp Mittens, say all the time.


Your point? Why do you care if I tell another goon to kill himself, or that his post was so bad that I'm going to kill myself?


I don't. I don't care at all, in fact I've come to expect it from goons.

Hence why I don't see what the fuss is about what Mittens said at the panel. My point was that it'd be hypocritical to be upset over that and not over goons posting "kill yourself irl" on various fora. Which, for the record, I don't think anyone should be.




then you shouldn't have a problem telling it to someone's face.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#290 - 2012-03-28 03:57:12 UTC
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:
Issler, like any other candidate ISNT on the CSM to play nice with mittens, she is there to represent people, and ensure that what goes on in CSM, what she stands for and what every one else stands for isnt sweept under the carpet, and hidden in "joint statements" saying nothing. We had enuff of that crap already.. to much null in CSM, to much politics. The part where we vote, and the ppl voted for just "vanish" to emerge a year later stating "i worked in CSM" meaning nothing - its a part we need removed from this game..

So rather than working with the team to come up with a statement, and maybe posting a dissenting opinion after the fact if she didn't agree with the statement, she should start up another threadnought on the forums by calling out her colleagues? Man, talk about "Going Rogue".

Henriette Malia Alette wrote:
And trust me, if u wanna see eve fail epicly, burning to the ground, all it takes is CSM to pretend as nothing, CCP to pretend as nothing, Mittani - as usual not giving a **** RL or in eve.. and a a clever reporter with some free time on his hands to see Mittani's little stunt, and read this forums.. i can see the tv-show host already:
"SO this game has a playervoted leader whom not only mocks a suicidal player, OPENLY states his names - no - , he encourages players to help him out drive the guy to the ground, and if you thought thats bad, just wait until you find out that EVE's playerbase supports his actions" *WHOMP* kiss ure eve-ass goodbye... Elected CSM members like Issler making statements may be what actually would SAVE EVE in such a situation.

You literally didn't read or comprehend a ******* thing I wrote.

Bottom line: CCP is running an investigation into the matter, which means they're consulting with lawyers (calmly) rather than stirring up a complete shitstorm. They've already issued a statement condemning the action, now it's time to figure out what to do. People like Issler are making a huge deal out of a terrible situation by not being the patient voice of calm. I don't see that as leadership. Issler really isn't fit to sit in that CSM seat.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Steph Wing
No Dukks Given
#291 - 2012-03-28 04:04:04 UTC
michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
D Derp wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:



do they really "routinely" tell people to kill themselves irl? Roll


Actually, yes. Yes they do. "Kill yourself irl" is a thing you see goons, esp Mittens, say all the time.


Your point? Why do you care if I tell another goon to kill himself, or that his post was so bad that I'm going to kill myself?


I don't. I don't care at all, in fact I've come to expect it from goons.

Hence why I don't see what the fuss is about what Mittens said at the panel. My point was that it'd be hypocritical to be upset over that and not over goons posting "kill yourself irl" on various fora. Which, for the record, I don't think anyone should be.




then you shouldn't have a problem telling it to someone's face.


And indeed I would not. It's just words.
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#292 - 2012-03-28 04:06:52 UTC
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:




then you shouldn't have a problem telling it to someone's face.


And indeed I would not. It's just words.




Walk up to a real goon at a bar this weekend, if you're old enough to drink, and tell him with all heartfelt sincerity he should kill himself because he's a waste of space. Go on....see what happens. That's my whole point..in the real world there are grown ass consequences for talking this kind of sht to people.
Hailey Sunweaver
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2012-03-28 04:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Hailey Sunweaver
He's probably worried that 10,000 goons will be ordered to troll him into suicide.



That statement is way out of line. Everyone is entitled to the right of due process even Mittens. And before you call be a fan boy no I am not a fan. But I believe that CCP and the CSM should handle this matter and take the action that's appropriate.
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#294 - 2012-03-28 04:16:31 UTC
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:
He's probably worried that 10,000 goons will be ordered to troll him into suicide.



That statement is way out of line. Everyone is entitled to the right of due process even Mittens. And before you call be a fan boy no I am not a fan. But I believe that CCP and the CSM should handle this matter and take the action that's appropriate.


There aren't 10000 goons.


michaelthered wrote:
Steph Wing wrote:
michaelthered wrote:




then you shouldn't have a problem telling it to someone's face.


And indeed I would not. It's just words.




Walk up to a real goon at a bar this weekend, if you're old enough to drink, and tell him with all heartfelt sincerity he should kill himself because he's a waste of space. Go on....see what happens. That's my whole point..in the real world there are grown ass consequences for talking this kind of sht to people.


I think something similar happened once. The offending stranger got punched in the face.

But your ridiculous scenario? He would be made fun of.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#295 - 2012-03-28 04:23:46 UTC
Hello Issler.

I came here to tell you that you are stupid.

Just so you know~~
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#296 - 2012-03-28 04:24:11 UTC
D Derp wrote:
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:
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I think something similar happened once. The offending stranger got punched in the face.

But your ridiculous scenario? He would be made fun of.



not even in a beverly hills polo club would that not lead to hands being thrown.
Hailey Sunweaver
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#297 - 2012-03-28 04:31:43 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
D Derp wrote:
Vorlain wrote:
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term.


How is coming out to condemn something that need's condemning causing a **** storm? pretty sure Mittani created that don't you think? If you are saying you are going to make another CSM's life more difficult and block what they do in the CSM on the basis of coming out and condemning what happened then you don't deserve to be on the CSM.

You are there to represent us and have our interests at heart, not to be some upset fanboi. If you can't work for the betterment of eve you don't belong there. The CSM needs to make it clear it doesn't support what happened, and that's all Issy did.

Oh and if you can't work with them for saying it, I take it you won't work with Mittani for coming out and saying pretty much the same thing, pretty sure he didn't run his apology by you and got your permission before posting it. Or are you going to just ignore that and be a hypocrite?


Nice alt bro. Mind posting the same on your main?


He's probably worried that 10,000 goons will be ordered to troll him into suicide.



That's what I was trying to quote sorry i am to lazy to edit. The fact remains the suicide comment is out of line
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2012-03-28 04:53:22 UTC
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:


That's what I was trying to quote sorry i am to lazy to edit. The fact remains the suicide comment is out of line




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI

01:12:00

decide for yourself, he seems very eager to say make him kill himself.

Drunk or not.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Frying Doom
#299 - 2012-03-28 04:53:34 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Hello Issler.

I came here to tell you that you are stupid.

Just so you know~~

As opposed to someone who supports Mr. I just lost 10058 votes?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#300 - 2012-03-28 04:55:41 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Hailey Sunweaver wrote:


That's what I was trying to quote sorry i am to lazy to edit. The fact remains the suicide comment is out of line




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI

01:12:00

decide for yourself, he seems very eager to say make him kill himself.

Drunk or not.




the whole presentation was premeditated